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mircea_popescu: jurov what i meant on this instance was that pasting dos text in linux gpg results in double line breaks and an unprocessable inpuit.
asciilifeform: option << which b0rks other things
jurov: <mircea_popescu> o yes it does.<< same thing as spaces in the end of lines, you did not get it
asciilifeform: sticking to it << i will. but curious whether it makes sense to the rest of you.
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> and you can wget and not worry about line endings << somebody's not read the log :D
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> if any of you think this is unreasonable, please say why. << it's a wot thing. does not matter one rat's ass what anyone thinks of it as long as you got a policy you thought out and are sticking to.
punkman: it's in the manual, pretty sure
mircea_popescu: try feeding a \r\n blob to a linux version
xanthyos: Sterlingcoin is The Cryptocurrency of the UK & British Isles. << didn't realize btc was geographically limited
xanthyos: if i donate to startcoin i can get a free sterlingcoin cryptocurrency card!
nubbins`: how the fuck else am i gonna verify, transcribe by hand?
nubbins`: silly is not being able to verify deeds because they use retarded EOL
mike_c: it shouldn't fuck with the message at all.
mike_c: to have a list of ways the deed that deedbot is given is modified before publishing?
nubbins`: same thing, n'est pas? ;D
ben_vulpes: yes sure that would be useful indeed.
nubbins`: and it would be extremely important to convert all \r\n to \n when publishing deeds.
nubbins`: however it happened, there's \r\n
punkman: the house does have some windows though
jurov: ben_vulpes: to upload files and publish then to web
mike_c: from the person submitting the deed is my understanding.
asciilifeform: eh i might have stepped in wrong thread. but even so, where does cr-lf come from if no winblows in the loop?
ben_vulpes: not a chair problem tho
mike_c: yeah, ok, so we won't run deedbot on windows. what does this have to do with it mucking up messages it is given?
punkman: any interest in bot that announces key expiries and revocations in channel?
ben_vulpes: jurov: sorry, don't understand the question
asciilifeform: or, more pertinently, it does not matter that a cockroach is easy to crush. you don't want ten, nine, or one - in kitchen
mike_c: having deedbot muck up the message it is given seems retarded.
jurov: ben_vulpes: wanna keys from the therealbitcoin.org bucket? to publish the charter and provisional list of patches
mike_c: whether or not you trust something signed by a windows user has little to do with deedbot.
asciilifeform: this thead is about things that must not be born, regardless of how easily killed.
mike_c: what about /deed/asldkfjalsdkfgj/RAW/ that has raw message.
ben_vulpes runs macos - admitted turd, but not windows
chetty: asciilifeform, not the most elegant way of putting it but you make a point
asciilifeform: known users of kitchen toilets.
chetty: I like the idea you know someone is using a potential bad key because ot that problem
mod6: i don't own or use a single windows machine, and proud to have not for /years/
nubbins`: or having to check both versions because the deed could be using either
nubbins`: imagine every time you wanted to verify a deed, having to manually swap \r\n with \n
asciilifeform: if any of you think this is unreasonable, please say why.
asciilifeform: bad enough that satoshi used (or convincingly pretended to use) it. i will not be signing anything of substance authored by a winblows user. cannot presume that he has sole control of his key.
nubbins`: otherwise you're essentially throwing up a huge "FUCK YOU" to all of us not using winblows
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: scissors? no. time today? perhaps.
asciilifeform: which one of the chairmen runs winblows? fess up
punkman: check out the one liner
punkman: base64 was there for a reason
nubbins`: otherwise how the fuck is anyone using anything other than Windows going to be able to verify deeds?
punkman: original genesis deed had LF, dunno when they got in there, probably some text editor
nubbins`: unless we've all suddenly decided to nominate Windows as the OS of choice, \r\n should not be within a thousand feet of this thing :D
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2014 11:41:26; punkman1: ;;later tell nubbins` according to that, and to my system, mp's, etc, it's 1d834ceaf8b81bd9f53dec3f4befd06f65ee422248f2c2edaf55e825bd2228c0 << that's because the CRLF line endings in the raw deed got converted to LF at some point in your process
asciilifeform: also, am i the only one here with a pair of shears? get snipping.
asciilifeform: anyone willing to review patches - read, ponder, sign. jurov can dump it all in turdatron later.
asciilifeform: unsanitary << exactly. and, thus far, we are - sanitars.
mircea_popescu: it's unsanitary. that damned key is probably how he got his asshole extended in the first place.
asciilifeform: ability to receive new transactions << and gavin should have the nuclear button for this why?
Naphex: so thats not a huge downtime, alerts get notified and keyd so email all the rest
mircea_popescu: we're discussing different things here.
Naphex: and thats pretty short, i can recompile it and restart it with alerts disabled in under 10mins
Naphex: mircea_popescu: the nodes are all synced, the only thing he turns off is the ability to receive new transactions
Naphex: the main chain(fed from the trusted nodes)
mircea_popescu: so if you run all this why'd you want random idiot to turn off your whole infrastructure whenever ?
Naphex: if anything corrupts the main chain, the spv will pick it up
Naphex: you then run secondary nodes with spv to ease that data and make it more usefull
mircea_popescu: well, not in itself, but if you end up relying on it then yeah
Naphex: you run the route nodes to sync the data and keep a chain
mircea_popescu: Naphex the problem with this approach is that well, false security.
Naphex: for me to restart
Naphex: the chain will still be there
Naphex: but i do want them to shut down in many cases and prevent any integrity breaches
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to reprhrase. "what should happen, if there's a fork"
Naphex: but thats what i want for my core servers really. don't run walleting software on them
Naphex: i kept the alert system, don't have much problem with it and can easily be disabaled.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a point tho. what happens if there's a fork ?
Naphex: asciilifeform: didn't quite pick up that turdmeister alert snip was a bitcoin patch to check it:)
asciilifeform: Naphex: keyed. -- and, you know, you can read the fscking code.
mircea_popescu: i guess since im reading this under protest im gonna adnotate it.
Naphex: asciilifeform: so did you remove the fork alerts as well or just the alert-keying system?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but my fear is, how much can be trusted in the "data" of someone so fundamentally confused. can one who can't count keep a useful count of anything ?
mircea_popescu: xiando hey, help me out here, what's that ancient chinese tale of the young man who found a young woman, and they fell in love, and they wished to be alone in the world ? so they suddenly were! and then wished for a cook, and suddely a cook appeared, and then kept wishing and soon enough were back at home ?
mircea_popescu: the sexual castration of us puritans is making them stupid i swear.
mircea_popescu: no but seriously, groups split off at that point when carrying the food (where ? they were fucking nomadic anyway) cost as much energy as the food provided ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strauss is a (now very old) man who was involved with some of the '70s derpistans (actual attempts at island 'nations' by american jokers). worth reading if only for zoological purposes. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: is there anything actually intelligent in here or am i throwing it away ?
mircea_popescu: re the "how to start your own country" thing, the opening model is so fucking braindamaged it curls my hairs.
asciilifeform: no reason at all why a true bitcoind ought to take direct orders from the turdation...
Naphex: asciilifeform: so that's what alert disabled?
asciilifeform: no more turdmeister broadcast receiver!
Naphex: related to some altcoin ripple run shit on your server hack
mircea_popescu: maybe you've not met the bitcoin crowd yet ?
Naphex: why would anyone give a shit to trade on a burning down closing exchange
BingoBoingo: Naphex: Insufficient thought disorder? Maybe they hope late panic trades might be favorable to their own orders?
Naphex: why is it still trading?
mircea_popescu: http://lessonslearned.org/sniff << not bad this
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: some derpy shit i've seen: recursive signing of documents. one party signs doc, another party signs clearsigned doc. <<< used to be how mpex did ipo contracts, but it sucks.
punkman: I had it download the db backups every 6 hours
jurov: punkman, kakobrekla: how do you get all the public keys from gribble?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and get a blob coded to the owner's key, and now we know someone tried.
mircea_popescu: oh, he means inside the lines
kakobrekla: links like to whatever people link to.
mircea_popescu: 14:16:06 mats_cd03: kakobrekla: links on log1.b-a direct to log.b-a, which is down << umm no they don't ?