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phf: asciilifeform: i don't think it's ben_vulpes's paster, it must be something in the pipeline
asciilifeform: i have nfi why this was needed.
mod6: ok, yeah, i guess it doesn't work.
asciilifeform: and i will say, if my makefile dun work on your box, in fact you do not have a working ada setup.
asciilifeform: i have it working on both types
mod6: yah, gotta be the version of my make is different than yours, plus, i'm not using adacore's gnat ☟︎
mod6: now i get: make: *** No rule to make target 'gnatmake', needed by 'ffa'. Stop.
mod6: to resolve those, i had to yank target instructions to the same line as the target var.
mod6: also, makefile doesnt seem to work, i seem to recall this from before.
asciilifeform: fwiw i left mod6's factorial thing running on 3 different boxes
asciilifeform: ( i enable all - afaik - of the checks that are for some reason off by default )
mod6: it's still running. should i recompile & re-run?
mod6: nice, i do have one, but it was from a while ago.
asciilifeform: ( pretty sure i posted this before. but here it is again. )
mircea_popescu: trinque a fine example, too, the more i think of it the more i like it. aedificium (=building) != aedificans (... building) != aedificant (still!!! building) and so on and so forth qs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am speaking of the principle, described ^
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 19:55 erlehmann: asciilifeform you long for the days of codepage switching, i guess?
erlehmann: result: i tell people to not write a book.
erlehmann: i later learned someone corrected all that stuff in the file sent to the printer by hand. their loss.
erlehmann: i think we submitted more changes than any other book by one or two orders of magnitude, just because we had it automated.
mircea_popescu: i did my galley proofs by hand , on printed paper.
erlehmann: but i accidentally made someone hate me i guess
erlehmann: worst unicode fail was that i wrote a book with a friend, published with o'reilly http://internetmeme.de
mircea_popescu: they were fine days - i never switched a page throughout.
erlehmann: asciilifeform you long for the days of codepage switching, i guess? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: all they do is spawn vermin ? i never noticed this !
mod6: But alf's seems to compile just fine. So i dunno wtf.
mod6: anyway, a couple days ago, i was messing around trying to go from 1 .. Word. And I thought that I got a compile error saying "Expected Standard.Integer, found "Word"" or something of the kind.
mod6: i felt like had been silly not even considering going 1...N as opposed to N...1
mircea_popescu: yes, i mean punycode.
erlehmann: i guess they „try“, as in keeping up appearances
erlehmann: i wrote „tries“ because authors are charlatans
erlehmann: one of the few things about urbit i like is that the system tries to not allow users to input statements not syntactically valid.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu that is actually a major point from me. i tend to drink only with people who either proved they can behave appropriately or it would not bother me if they fucked me in the ass with a supersized dragon dildo while i'm too drunk to resist.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu when i write software that considers the input language, i tend to write a grammar for the subset i am going to handle. so yes, i have written software that considers i.e. only characters valid in urlencoded base64 as input and rejects everything else.
erlehmann: at least that is for software i write. full recognition etc. pp.
erlehmann: about characters, if you start using shit i do not expect, prepare to fail at the input frontier.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu if i was not entirely sure she would never have gotten there.
asciilifeform: need i go on..
mircea_popescu: (lulzy bit re that, weeks ago stark naked local girl with grandiose tits assuring us that "she doesn't steal". i was like... woman... WHERE WOULD YOU PUT IT.)
erlehmann: let me say it like thit: a friend of mine once randomly started to masturbate beside me while visiting. i did not care as i was occupied otherwise, since she did not leave stains. if she had, i would have told her to clean it up.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu i negotiate such things beforehand. wants to live with me? must live up to my standards.
asciilifeform: and making me read an ENTIRE MOTHERFUCKING STRING before i can say how many chars are in it, or whether a certain substring occurs at the end -- is not ill-thought ?
erlehmann: having delved into plan9 innards, i can say that some ill-thought abstractions make obvious shittery obvious, that is all.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann so one day new face shows up in your flat, and you're like, whatever, i dun care.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu i tend to fuck people i can stand enough to live with, so … yes? unless i misunderstood that.
erlehmann: while codepages i use are gibberish to CJK
erlehmann: i tend to not waste brain cycles on codepages i do not use
asciilifeform: 'new characters', e.g. integral sign, are MINDBOGGLINGLY EXPENSIVE. to the point where i dun expect to ever live to see a halfway justified case for one.
mircea_popescu: aka "i am a human perfect in every way and equal to all others, what could there be that's not directly obvious to me as well as anyone"
mircea_popescu: "i mean, what could it be, right ?"
mircea_popescu: re which, i heartily recommend http://trilema.com/2016/vacation/ for the ustard "guessing from context" what rimjob means
mircea_popescu: it is the correct mark of the perfective participle in this circumstance. so "cumfaced" i guess.
mircea_popescu: this is why i like that romanian cartoon series, "robotzi". they do it extensively, to breaking point. single example : at some point one says to the other "daca stiam c-ai sa ajungi un ghetzalit nespalat". this is evidently in standard romanian "if i knew you'll end up and unwashed ???". the ??? is iffy, because ghetzalit is not a word in romanian. in fact, it's a construction : ghetz is how you say sperm in hungarian, and -
mircea_popescu: anyway. your chief point is correct, in that flexion is pure lisp for language, that i even to this day can say inexistent words whose meanings are directly evident to romanian speakers is a large matter. english even has rudiments of proper flexion, i can say "the built" and it connotes, but not to all speakers.
trinque: and I don't see how this'd not be way more cumbersome with the ideographs
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 20:29 phf: asciilifeform: i used to try and clarify the inflection, but then realized that it's mostly meaningless for the anglophones. so however much it grates,
trinque: I'm still an idiot flash-card-level student of latin, but worth discussing that as the standard for "proper alphabetical lang". even things like "afui" make me feel like a bumbling idiot when in english I have to say "I was away". only way with pictographs to combine meanings and generate new would seem to be "well yeah, go with me on this one, but this one is sorta related-looking to these other two"
erlehmann: BingoBoingo i recall there was a study about helmet laws https://msu.edu/~telder/donorcycles6-10-09.pdf
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 16:57 asciilifeform: if i start writing english as strings of 16-bit indices into the oxford dictionary, people will laugh.
BingoBoingo: <erlehmann> large scale deployments are always driven by statistics. i once read that many stats have no bike helmet laws because lawmakers are convinced this would reduce biking to the point where more cardiovascular diseases outrun benefits of less head injuries. << For all the idiocies Illinois does participate in, it refrains from helmet laws. This means the occasional perosn riding a chromed up cruisers with a DOT non-compliant Pick
mircea_popescu: trinque your girl is in for a lot of anal, i guess.
erlehmann: i noticed once logs of another channel were gone
erlehmann: i should read more
asciilifeform: i dun actually hate apl. it ain't chinese liquishit, is actually pretty small and readable alphabet. that probably oughta have occupied the upper half of ansi 8bit coding, instead of the rubbish that's in there nao.
trinque: I was relating the uniturd thread to $girl in the pool just now, and she challenged erlehmann to start writing software in emojis. and if not, why communicate with it.
mircea_popescu: to use a chinese idiomatic which, oddly, i can actually introduce without importing shitsquiggles.tiff first.
asciilifeform: and it ain't useless space, either, i like my current dig mainly for the enclosedbalcony. sunlight, it's a thing.
mircea_popescu: instead tell me you were there while it happened and didn't notice, and i shall believe it, but also point to it for your benefit.
mircea_popescu: now tell me they did not do this in berlin and i shall not believe you.
erlehmann: not in the mood for guessing history i'm not familiar with
erlehmann: large scale deployments are always driven by statistics. i once read that many stats have no bike helmet laws because lawmakers are convinced this would reduce biking to the point where more cardiovascular diseases outrun benefits of less head injuries.
erlehmann: maybe an idiom i do not understand
mircea_popescu: do guess, you i hear are from the right germany to guess./
erlehmann: i created unifont glyphs using emacs and sed
erlehmann: i thought singular project is interconnection. make war less profitable than peace.
mircea_popescu: and i don't mean, because eu bureaucrats tolerate greek, eu is going to shit. i mean -- because eu has absolutely no project (which is the direct equivalent) everyone is only there while the food flows. and furthermore, because the men tolerate the misbehaviours of the women, the countries are dropping off thje map, and so on.
BingoBoingo: <erlehmann> i think it is not about the literature. i think it is to cater to the special interest groups. << Maybe these groups need specialler interests?
erlehmann: i think it is not about the literature. i think it is to cater to the special interest groups.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 16:57 asciilifeform: if i start writing english as strings of 16-bit indices into the oxford dictionary, people will laugh.
asciilifeform: i'm a bit surprised that pantsuits have not yet attempted to transform english into 'wordicode', a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684311 . ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing a sorting here. i am just proposing they notice the parts of their skull made of cow dung.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684252 << funny, i was expecting a few hours. apparently guessatron not that badly oiled either. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: notice how this works : visa is sending "up to $10k in bitcoin" to its own bitcoin addresses to claim "people" have "invested" in whatever nutty bullshit faux coin they have going ; visa is sending "up to 10k" faux news on dead paper to its own offices to claim someone actually gives a shit what the new york times says on any topic ; visa is then giving 10k in cash to 50 of its own merchants to pretend like you and i should d
asciilifeform: ( i could instead say '1 msec' but crystal jitter, interrupts, etc )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684202 << ah good, i was just digging this up. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: no argument. but i am a practical man and i like plugging things in.
mod6: when I do the factorials in my head, i seem to start with the bigger end for some reason.
mod6: one thing, that i never really thought about is going the other direction; 1 * 2 * 3 ...
erlehmann: unless i made it
erlehmann: and i like it that way
erlehmann: i just see „DE“ surrounded by a special frame instead of a german flag
erlehmann: i suggest put the following in your .XCompose if you use X11
erlehmann: ch does not exist as unicode ligature, but as i understand distinguishing characters is one of the problems unicode is at least intended to solve. as soon as everyone uses Æ for “ AE” the postprocessing is no longer needed.
erlehmann: well, if ch is one character, i rather have it as one codepoint.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 18:21 mircea_popescu: this notion that i will support the wintel FOR FREE is the lolz of all time.
erlehmann: which obviously is not enough (i read something about ~100k characters being enough)
asciilifeform: incidentally i use 'orc glyphs' every day. koi8 etc.
asciilifeform: i do not write non8bit text processors, and don't intend to ever.
erlehmann: so if code does not care if there exist 250 or 2500 or 250000 characters, why should i?