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mircea_popescu: it's a matter of methodology not of scope.
the how, not
the what.
thickasthieves: in case you havent noticed i like
to explore
the space in between
things, and question
the extremes
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves obviously i can appreciate
thinking is a process, and one has
to make sense of one's [intellectual] history, etc.
bounce: something like abstract algebra. do math
to numbers only forget about
the numbers.
thickasthieves: as i knew i was about
to explain something as i
thought it, but i also knew it was a concept in my head from
the past but which i have never articulated in words
mircea_popescu: but
the particular definition you gave indicates
to
the compiler, were
the compiler human,
that a) you hadn't considered it before using it and b) as defined prolly doesn't serve you in any sense.
mircea_popescu: now, it's entirely your privilege, as
the human in
this relationship,
to define function x any way you please
mircea_popescu: you say "hyper abstract".
this is like in code, calling function X. compiler (me) goes wait, wut ? so you go "function X () { random banal shit; }"
adlai: spouting bullshit is OK, as long as you curate it a bit better
than just letting assbot dump it all in a
text file
assbot: This is how much I rule (today) pe
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xiando: It doesn't matter if you really are 12+ whales on some private IRC channel, you can't just set
the price anyway.
mircea_popescu: somehow i've never noticed it before, but chicks in
this country have positively gorgeous hair
mircea_popescu: you gonna get butthurt if i
tell you your
though process would drastically benefit from more rigor ?
thickasthieves: in
the end we're all just floating muck, without context
thickasthieves: and
the more contexts you fractalize,
the less
they matter
to
the outside
mircea_popescu: whereas for all you know in bitcoin
twelve whales get
together in a secret chan somehwere and
that's how
the price moves ?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves do you understand
that as dubious as charts are generally, which we won't rehash, at least generally
there's
the atomic market ?
thickasthieves: so if you are attempting
to chart or even look at
trends or volume alone, you relaly need
the whole picture
mircea_popescu: maybe my needs are unrepresentative, but i find
they're served equally well by any of
the older providers. bitcoincharts, bitcoinity, whatevers.
mircea_popescu: generally what everyone
thinks is
the
thing
to do is wrong, which is why
the "never compete in saturated markets" advice's served me so well over
the years.
mircea_popescu: not
to be a parade pisser, but
there's problems lurking.
thickasthieves: maybe mapping otc in
there,
trying
to pry info from people like coinbase or bitpay, i dunno
mircea_popescu: putting most work into !=
trying hardest necessarily. besides, what's
this hardest,
taking exchange feeds ?
thickasthieves: should
there not be someone who is
trying hardest
to discern
the price?
mircea_popescu: this being kinda why all
the however many exchange feed centralizers went nowhere.
mircea_popescu: everyone does want
to know
the price, but a speshal few know you wouldn't know anyway.
mircea_popescu: you will become
the reddit index provider, which is not how you feed
that market. you don't make goof stuff for
the consumers, you make cheap shitty stuff for
them
mircea_popescu: you won't become
the dominant index provider because people who matter don't chart and people who chart don't matter.
thickasthieves: Coindesk seems on
this path, but
theyre bound
to fuck it up
thickasthieves: if you establish
the user base,
then you can become
the dominant index provider
mircea_popescu: that's
the risk, you put
the work in, "traders" love it,
then it
turns out
the "traders" are 500 redditards all sunk
to
the hilt in bitfinex/bitjam/whatever
bounce: you built
that fetch code?
punkman: yeah and maybe sockets people can subscribe
to
thickasthieves: a live aggragate chart with customizable
tickboxes for exchanges
punkman: that'd
take some
time, lots of javascripts
thickasthieves: punkman, are you capable of
turning
that into something
that can output a custom file
to feed into Metatrader or such?
punkman: been wanting
to put it into use
punkman: thickasthieves: I got code
that can fetch
ticker/trade data from dozens of exchanges
jurov: punkman KDE
tried with akonadi... kinda works after years of prodding
thickasthieves: i also would like (and surely others would
to) a cumalitive customizable chart for bitcoin exchanges
punkman: I want
to make personal search engine
that gets fed with my browsing history, bookmarks, local content (email, logs, etc)
mircea_popescu: what have all
these other schmucks been doing ever since
this chan started ?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves
the way people do. you write down
the
task, break it up, write down
the parts, break
them up, read up on
the
topics, implement, refine...
thickasthieves: but i cant even manage getting someone
to recompile altcoind for windows
thickasthieves: i
think i do have a writeup started somewhere with examples, etc
mircea_popescu: "oh, everything is on wikipedia" is not curation. why
the fuck would i want google
to return a wikipedia result in
the first place, what, as if i don't know
they probably have a shitty article sort-of
talking around
topic x ?
thickasthieves: well
thats why you use newsearch and lazy ignorants use goog
mircea_popescu: and google is
the shittiest curator imaginable. people in commie romania
thought
they had it bad, but
this is pointedly worse.
thickasthieves: and would be smart
to move harder in
the curation direction in
the face of such a service
mircea_popescu: it'd certainly be useful for linux-y
types, me and google divorced when it
took out
the operands.
punkman: I am also considering making
the bot spit out expiry/revocations in a diff channel
thickasthieves: from google being
the curator,
to newsearch being
the db with sort
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves i suspect
this is like
the "myspace, music industry killer" idea a decade ago. yeah, it'd work, if people didn't suck. people do suck, and as a result, myspace dies.
punkman: jurov, I
think I could publish a pubring
that gets updated a couple
times a day
jurov: dunno any lib can handle
that
jurov: even
then, it did some failures like "key rejected by input filter"
mircea_popescu: jurov which is why
this is so useful :
try and do it for search, high volume and low risk, see if anything useful can be done algorithmically.
jurov: mircea_popescu you forgot
the wot ratings must be examined manually
to be useful?
thickasthieves: my search idea could combine with a distributed one, have all ranking factors be open and weightable by
the user
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thickasthieves: it's a well written speech in
that its general enough any individual can map it onto his own perspectives
TomServo: The other points seem much more specific, and I would
think
there is at least something in mind when referring
to innovations into
the social order.
TomServo: hehe,
that's kind of where I was going
mircea_popescu: well
the way i read it it's not referring
to anything, merely refusing
to commit
to anything.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: It just struck me as not fitting with
the rest of
the message. What innovations might he be referring
to?
nubbins`: thickasthieves
this is how pink eye prefers
to work for design jobs