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mod6: i don't think the question is why, it's how.
assbot: Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard
asciilifeform: who forces you to use arabic numerals?
mod6: you want to force people to use only one version of code?
asciilifeform: like a gigantic black hole that warps spacetime around it into strange shapes.
mod6: what I mean is, if your worried about everyone running the same code, 'safety critical code' wouldn't it be good to have some diversity of systems, and decentralized
assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 00:36:11; asciilifeform: a datacenter that can't be diddled from a safe distance is also called 'a nuclear power'
mod6: im pretty sure that im not smart enough for this conversation
asciilifeform: butbut... the spec's right here!
asciilifeform: or 'tiger' tank.
asciilifeform: mod6: you can probably download most of the info necessary to build a vintage mercedes benz.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> like, your whole reich goes down << wouldn't it be grand to have a spec so people can use that to build their own compliant reference implementation?
kakobrekla: you can skip the first option.
BingoBoingo: Code does what it is, without regard for the underlying
BingoBoingo: Actually... in cariac replacement parts, mechanical failures tend to kill first.
asciilifeform: one of the things pretty much no one (save possibly mircea_popescu) seems to comprehend is that bitcoin is, what old timers call - 'safety critical code'
asciilifeform: 'first the man takes a drink, then the drink takes a drink, then the drink takes the man'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Problem is book has wants too
asciilifeform: the only devices a hypothetical bitcoin x86 os needs to comprehend is disk and nic
BingoBoingo: What ken mods? OpenBSD offers two kernels bsd and bsd.mp, if you want more fuck you
asciilifeform: what other things?
mod6: what about like 69000 other things?
mod6: so you wouldn't say, want to strip kern mods out or whatever?
asciilifeform: mod6: idea being, among other merits, that in the future shedding the os entirely will be considerably easier.
asciilifeform: mod6: custom fs doesn't require an os-level turd, just a raw block device that the process is permitted to r/w.
BingoBoingo: mod6: OpenBSD on its own is prolly hostile enough to dev in
BingoBoingo really wants the disorderly conduct case to fucking end
mod6: so, since we're talking about it, what would be the most idea env for such a reference implentation? a fully stripped openbsd with a custom fs & drivers?
asciilifeform had to look up most of above to make any sense
BingoBoingo: My domicile was slow rolled by the local 5-0 about half an our ago so mzt misssspelt words
BingoBoingo: Well, real Unix exists... in Textbooks
asciilifeform would like to stay that way
asciilifeform innocent of ab initio unixen, other than as school homework
BingoBoingo: Now that people are finally reading GNU utils I imagine split will be from OpenBSD 5.X -current
BingoBoingo: mod6: I prefer the term Stanix
mod6: asciilifeform: perhaps. i worry that we're all of the sudden going to fork *bsd and make mpexos
asciilifeform: ecc with amd cpu - almost impossible to obtain now. ecc on intel - on high-end 'xeon' boards.
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: From what I understand ECC is still a luxury sold to the discerning which the "cloud" is trying to handwave over
asciilifeform: mod6: idea was, blockchain, as potentially the majority user of future hdd space on planet, deserves own (ab initio) scheme of mapping to block device.
mats_cd03: i was under the impression most motherboards support ECC and non-ECC
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: I have wanted ECC ram for about a decade now, but never pulled the trigger on it
mod6: but sounds like we're getting into RE-ENGINEER ALL THE THINGS if we start to not trust whatever is already out there
mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: youre tempting me to buy a workstation of my own
BingoBoingo: I could start a university computer lab with that shit
assbot: Do you know the three main causes of prostatitis for teenagers - Slashdot
BingoBoingo asks because this beauty? Under $300? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Ultra-40-2xDual-Core-2-4GHz-16gb-1x250GB-Quadro-FX-4500-DVD-4xAvailable-/151458445675?pt=US_Thin_Clients&hash=item2343a0796b
BingoBoingo: So I'm pricing used workstations. All of the opteron based stuff in the past 6 years is pretty equivalent, yes?
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> running this in a vm, worth throwing extra ram at it? <<< yes, up to 16gb markedly helps
BingoBoingo: Going off of the concusion leap
kakobrekla: (relevant to ebola)
dignork: yup, no dice: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Testnet - "Testnet3 is the current test network. It was introduced with the 0.7 release, introduced a third genesis block..."
dignork: nubbins`: I cowrdly take this back: current testnet is a 3rd chain - I think genesis block was switched, but not sure when exactly, so 0.5.3 might have an old genesis block :(
nubbins`: dignork thanks, good tip
dignork: nubbins`: btw if you're trying to boot the 0.5.3 version, try the -testnet first, the db is smaller, and it's supposed to contain borderline crazy transactions
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKuatNrLHLY << with english translation in 'show more' box ☟︎
nubbins`: running this in a vm, worth throwing extra ram at it?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The indexing is slower.
nubbins`: downloading the blockchain is slooooow.
asciilifeform: she must've cleaned the last throne with eyes.
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/019c4f744bdafc23d8eaecd88aeb4ac7/tumblr_mtsv9elrCH1swtr5so1_500.gif << speaking of turds and all that.
BingoBoingo: Began by doing work setting up for various "bands" and saying technology and finding out people were approaching him with dead hard drives because he said technology
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As far as the history of that firm goes though he did start out though as an audio/speaker guy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe both. Maybe they have a new firmware tool? They really wanted operators though because PC 9000 kept pissing Ben off.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_BeGDkNRtA << non-obligatory, but goes with the theme
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seeking russian speakers to operate << srsly, operate, not translate ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Bad thing
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: remember the fella who booted linux on dead 'seagate' pcbs ?
mircea_popescu: is that a good thing ?
assbot: US Company Seeks to offer Regulator Approved Bitcoin Options Market - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: Oh noes http://slashdot.org/submission/3947447/us-company-seeks-to-offer-regulator-approved-bitcoin-options-market is down to blue
BingoBoingo disappointed they redesigned their website into a js turd
BingoBoingo remembers being paid dor a tape cataloguing job one summer partially in vodka
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last I checked. They opened the Toronto lab entirely for recruiting russian speakers
BingoBoingo will now drop that http://datarecovery.com/about/ has been seeking russian speakers to operate "PC 9000" hard drive firmaware tool since I part timed there in 2004.
asciilifeform: ('int 13' - traditional x86 bios interrupt function which exists to this day, used by most os boot loaders to fetch kernel from disk)
asciilifeform: ('metal port' being a hypothetical 'bitcoind' that boots up as x86 os)
mircea_popescu is in over his head in this discussion.
asciilifeform: and crap directly therein.
asciilifeform: if we're talking about a humbler turd that runs on unix, it'd take /dev/sdwhateverthefuck'
asciilifeform: if we're talking about a metal port, i'd use my pio hdd driver (about 1k asm)
mircea_popescu: maybe i don't iunderstand what you mean by "make own fs" and "bare metal" in that order.
mircea_popescu: so who are you going to steal the hardware drivers from
asciilifeform: existing fs are built to be 'all things to all people'
mircea_popescu: either one or the other. not both.
mircea_popescu: there is no way you can do anything novel and useful in terms of fs.
mircea_popescu: rewriting bitcoin is one thing. writing a new fs is a fucking dumb idea.
asciilifeform: meant - fs crafted for the occasion.
mircea_popescu: do you even have a candidate for pillaging in mind or wtf fs is even trustworthy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you compress below fs layer then the fixed blocks thing is kinda a meh idea.
mircea_popescu: if anyone is a hdd afficionado, do some math as to what gain in speed justifies a 5x gain in file size ? at current and/or historical price per speed and price per size.
asciilifeform: no need to ever store a mb of zero
mircea_popescu: it'll be a tough sell.
BingoBoingo: But dumber than mice
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they get milk dishes, but will happily nibble on the toes of the maths students who visit << What, no warfarin in the milk?
asciilifeform: 30+gb << 40gB was the turd upon croaking
assbot: For Capitalism! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/for-capitalism/ << i forgot to link this
asciilifeform: they get milk dishes, but will happily nibble on the toes of the maths students who visit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course you realise with 1mb sectors the current size of the charade would be 30+ gb.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crab bus << reminds me of my consulting partner's tale of the rat temple in his home town