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mircea_popescu: adlai> we could define
that
the
turd network doesn't count as output, since it's communication between computers and not output
to
the user <<< reading
this sort of shit makes my head bleed
adlai: it can end with
the blockchain in a comment, and
then when it's outputting, it just keeps spitting out blocks
adlai: alternatively, it could modify its own code
to include
the blockchain
adlai: we could define
that
the
turd network doesn't count as output, since it's communication between computers and not output
to
the user
mircea_popescu: anyway, why is
teh hydra chosen
to attempt
turning pete of all peeps anyway ?
adlai: they obviously didn't have
turds in mind at
the
time
adlai: it can dump its source code
to stderr
undata: the chinese are on
the brink of post-scarcity; you'll see
mircea_popescu: adlai its output is already specified, and
the specification is incompatible with quine
adlai: although
the proof doesn't fit in
the margin of
this irc buffer
adlai: +mircea_popescu | it can't be a quine, it has
to blockchain << who says
those are contradictory?
mircea_popescu: the shit
they come up with you know ? "to claim
that
there are no solutions
to X equation is RIGID!!!11"
mircea_popescu: "to say
that you will never give us free shit is ~academically~ badword and rigid!!11"
mircea_popescu: "To broadly claim
that socialism fails without examining its proper context and its successes is academically lazy, and betrays a rigidly static view of ideology. Pure and simple."
mircea_popescu: so his argument goes
that well, ussr is not a good example of how socialism generates wealth because it wasn't rich enough
to begin with, whereas china is very rich now, so maybe it will
try sociaism, notwithstanding
that
the path it
took
to get rich is
the same path everyone
took o get rich, specifically antisocialism.
adlai slinks back
to pythonland
adlai: - is amazing, because CL actually has
the concept of a quine programmed into it's specification
adlai: asciilifeform: you know what
the shortest common lisp quine is?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know,
the official bitcoin foundation official bitcoin core code.
mircea_popescu: that way nubsy doesn't need
to worry which side is up.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes asciilifeform others : here's an idea, can you make
the official code also be a palindrome ?
adlai: it's lisp,
text-to-speech can render it just fine!
adlai: ("the code is shit" is valid feedback atm, i'm more interested in
the ideas behind it)
mircea_popescu: if i'm quirky, it's because all
those chemicals in
the filters.
mircea_popescu basks in
the glory of being an anthropologist, and
therefore politically allowed and intellectually immune
to
the drawbacks of rooting
through
the human headshit pile
adlai: kakobrekla: ping
timeouts generally
take more
than 40 seconds...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, women are actually smarter
than
that.
kakobrekla: actually im still here, cause it works w/o
the fans.
mircea_popescu: adlai it royally sucks as a "philosophy", or "economic
theory",
too.
assbot: Atlas Shrugged:
The Hidden Context of
the Book and Film
kakobrekla: <jurov> well, it leaks energy. so we went on
to devise machines
that would leak something else < what , computhas dont leak energy?
thats new.
adlai: you mean anathem, or
the "labyrinth inhabitant" concept?
adlai: asciilifeform:
this labyrinth inhabitant
thingy seems neat
jurov: ^ you'll be lucky if
that stays
true in 40 years
mircea_popescu: jurov yes but, a register increasing is
this sort of leak. you're saying we fundamentally can't live in an immutable world.
jurov: theoretical wanking aside, we're still just beings living off
thermodynamical gradients -
thus fundamentally something must leak
mircea_popescu: as human history presently stands,
the reality of such memory loss is actually supported
jurov: well, it leaks energy. so we went on
to devise machines
that would leak something else
mircea_popescu: newtonian mechanics
that leaked memory would be more like, suddenly you end up in a bubble of finite size
that's diverged from
the rest of
the universe
jurov: second law of
thermodynamics describes
these leaks pretty nicely
jurov: but
they are broken
jurov: <kakobrekla> you know - at least you are dealing with jus one broken stack, not layers upon layers. << you know, even newtonian mechanics
themselves are just abstraction layer
adlai: up next,
the long awaited sequel
to Atlas Shrugged... "Turtle Dove"
kakobrekla: adlai its little fleas until you get
to
the
turtles.
assbot: The Siphonaptera - Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: <adlai>
there's probably a nice little niche scamming
these services << and a good
thing for
that,
too. if
there weren't no parasites praying on parasites we'd be awash in 'em
kakobrekla: for
that, you must refuse
to do banana dance
adlai: but i want my
ten dollars!
adlai: there's probably a nice little niche scamming
these services
adlai still can't
tell what
the service does, other
than pay you $10 for your identity
adlai: oh well i guess i gotta pre-enroll
to find out
adlai: is
this a payment processor? web wallet? "merchant portal"? whatever
the fuck does
that even mean?
adlai: from
https://pocket.digitalx.com/ which appears
to be
trying
to position itself as an entry point for a new wave of... some demographic
that I can't quite pinpoint
adlai: here's a new word for
the scamtionary: "pre-enroll"
mike_c: hehe, yeah. a book
that mines.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> well if you are playing 'what stan wants' game you prolly end up with 100% mechanical implementation of bitcoind << some
things stan wants stan gets, some other
things he gets
to want even harder!
assbot: How
to deal with pseudoscience ? pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jurov: upon further reading... so stan wants
to make everything into own OS. ic.
jurov: you'll still have
to steal some code from bdb or do your own
jurov: asciilifeform: in
the raw device as database, how do you index utxo
to verify incoming
transactions?
mircea_popescu: btw, Auction of Souls is a must see, but preferably in
the uncut version.
mircea_popescu: TomServo you know, i'm
too old for
the cross bullshit.
xiando is monitoring
this cult