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undata: mircea_popescu: how is any other goal coherent absent
that
jurov: i'd rather like an answer
that when current system finally fails due
to bitcoin, will
this get us rid of only
the bad ideas?
undata: and
that's strictly an opinion
mircea_popescu: i suppose in a system without objective all is a waste, which reduces
to what i said.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but how do you measure
the wastefullness of pointlessness ?
undata: by what metrics would you like me
to describe
the failings of
the american system?
mircea_popescu: the proof
that
there was nothing
there
to waste in
the first place is
the simple fact of having been wasted.
undata: asciilifeform:
to say nothing of its waste,
though
mircea_popescu: ;;google "under
the guise of making prison more like school
the reverse is of course accomplished."
undata: mircea_popescu:
the highschool in my home
town was apty designed by a prison architect
mircea_popescu: ;;google "in
the attempt
to make prison more like school,
they made school more like prison"
undata: asciilifeform:
today's american phd has
the requisite psychology
to
thrive climbing ~25 years of bureaucracy
mircea_popescu: actually
the reason it can't be fully learnable has more
to do with godel
than with
tits and ass.
undata: this goes
to my earlier statement about good people eating bullets
undata acknowledges
that a lot of people "doing it right" got smashed
to pieces when
the USSR collapsed as well
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since
the iris young nitwit was mentioned, here's a q for you : how many maths or generally actual scientists you ever heard of
that were full professors at 34 ?
mircea_popescu: but
this alone is not nearly
the strength of your previous statement.
mircea_popescu: so yes, i grant
that
too,
that your guys are pretty well above most.
undata: mircea_popescu: depends on what comes in
the next frame
undata: and
that
the ruler might be wise
to set conditions for
their success, not
the others
mircea_popescu: that's
the point of metaphores,
to keep getting punctured.
undata: mircea_popescu: I am suggesting
that
the people I'm describing are doing it right
mats_cd03: i can't have
this discussion strictly framed in metaphors and still understand what you're
talking about
undata: isn't
this exactly my point?
undata: and if he doesn't want
them feeding
themselves and working hard, what's he doing?
undata: mircea_popescu: where's
the ruler
then?
mircea_popescu: once
they get lynched by an angry mob you can say what you will,
mircea_popescu: undata
that
they're momentarily realising gains out of externalised costs
that haven't yet caught up with
them.
undata: mircea_popescu:
to say what of
the people I know who feed
themselves?
mircea_popescu: people, of
the common kind, can only be fed by a master.
undata: people fed
themselves
throughout history
undata: mircea_popescu:
the master imposes
the need
to be fed by
the master
mircea_popescu: and if putin keeps hammering him in
the head all over
the middle east, your scrip may be as good as
the confederate's.
mircea_popescu: is obviously a dependency on
the fucking master in question
undata: mats_cd03: wandering further from
the mark
mats_cd03: sure.
true story. doesn't mean "real food" isn't actually available.
mircea_popescu: the food your master chooses
to dispense
to you in exchange for scrip
that master has given you n
the first place
mats_cd03: we've been over
this
thing, where "americans don't eat real food"
mats_cd03: the food i consume has nutrition, and calories, and it sates
the appetite. so far, my life expectancy has not changed in any way. how is it nto food?
undata: "rulers will always want all of my
time" ?
mats_cd03: i don't agree with
this distinction
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but somehow
the people who expect
to be able
to eat without being slaves also bitch at
the people fighting for
the oil requisite for
that arrangement.
mircea_popescu: this is
the quintesential broken approach.
there's "food" as you're
talking,
there's "food" as he's
talking.
mats_cd03: ~200mn chinese work
the fields. ~12mn americans do
the same
task, afaik.
undata: I know people with a greenhouse and a field
that eat *very* well, better
than I do.
mats_cd03: the work required
to produce food _has_ been reduced
undata: we can make iPhones, but not reduce
the work required
to produce food?
undata: there's
the problem
then, not
the food
undata: asciilifeform:
the rest of
their day
undata: members of my family grow
their own food, and do so without
taking up
their entire day
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: machines
that can do
this exist,
they are called animals, and generally have
their own problems
that prompt people
to invent less-general machines. << splendidly put.
undata: asciilifeform: depends, are you
teaching a new language?
mircea_popescu: (to be perfectly fair
the original japanese folk story doesn't have
that explicit in
there, but hey. posteriority separates and all
that)
mircea_popescu: you're generally not at liberty
to rely on an infinite representational space.
mircea_popescu: adlai
there is no guarantee
that
turtle language includes space for more
than "terrible"./