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undata: asciilifeform: I find it hard
to not use
that example
to support my point of view
undata: it's
the building
that remains
undata: rulers die, do
they not?
undata: and should in
that sense is "it is in
the interest of
the subjects
to light
themselves on fire otherwise"
undata: the ruler should be setting
the conditions for an operating market and
then letting it run
undata: I can walk
to one
that makes
their own in
two blocks
undata: asciilifeform:
there are myriad other producers of
the same syrupy garbage
assbot: 2014 Feb 28 08:55:06 <mircea_popescu>diametric:
the latest
trend is
that Mar - Pastebin.com
undata: absent
the socialist subsidy of failure
this works fine
undata: or... "if you do not make me an offer worth
taking, I will work for someone else"
undata: that's where
that antagonism ends up
undata: should
the ruler not care about
the continued breathing of
the peasants,
the peasants are best off making
themselves as useless a burden
to him as possible
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller
this was actually amply discussed in here, a while back.
thestringpuller: Random and off
topic. Pierre_Rochard was
telling me about a country whose economy was riddle with Ponzi Schemes
to
the point real businesses were losing value because
the ponzi's outnumbered
the real businesses. I
think it's Albania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_schemes_in_Albania Maybe someone can help shed more light as he didn't know what
the country was at
the
time.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well... kina how B movies make
their bread
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo why not "the coming of
the comet" << I'm
thinking a series of comets head
towards earth,
they were uncharted. Astronauts go
to find
the source and it's jsut a masturbating space giant.
They have
to fuck it and make it a pocket pussy so it stops endangering worlds with its seed
undata: and no possessions
too?
mircea_popescu: this earth-and-heaven xtianity
thing... it really got people enthralled did it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well a good story needs an antagonist, in
this case
the Comet Cummer
mircea_popescu: undata all rulers eventually burn. and all underlings,
too.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i
think
the orgasm subtext in "comet" needs moar usage
tho.
undata: rulers which don't care about
the lives of
their underlings eventually burn
mircea_popescu: there's a reason i quote shakespeare rather
than rand.
mircea_popescu: so, you're asking me
to believe
that
the guy was going
to stop
the comet with his cock ? or how exactly did he get
to be
the ONE ?
mircea_popescu: there's very little economy in your fiction, not just
this present comet
thing, but
the previous
thing with
the
truck. such wasteful abuse of literary means.
undata: the ruler should be a search function identifying merit and putting it
to work
undata: and lets say
the guy
that knew how
to stop it shot himself 10 years ago because he could not find a use
undata: lets say
there's a comet heading for us
mircea_popescu: so
then what do you care about "wasted" generations whatever
that may mean.
undata: I'd rather not matter
to anyone.
mircea_popescu: whence
this expectation
to be important and matter anyway ?
mircea_popescu: who mostly got eaten by wolves or w/e, or
the 1000-1010 generation,
that didn't even exist.
mircea_popescu: the 2000-2010 generation of usians isn't anymore lost
than
the 1500-1510 generation of usians
undata: mircea_popescu: and
then
the
truckers get
tired of losing loads and we lose generations instead
undata: and if
the man who designates
the quota miscalulated,
the load is lost
undata: given
the
task
to deliver, does it help
the
trucker's delivery
to have only enough gas
to arrive at his destination
undata: mircea_popescu: when you get used
to masters which withold food, don't you dream of otherwise?
undata: what is
the benefit of weakened citizens?
undata: I
think I'm just arguing for more robust citizens
mircea_popescu: you presently are able
to feed yourself, which indicates nothing about whether you OUGHT
TO be so able.
undata: so my family feeds itself because it presently can, which indicates nothing about whether
that fact is due
to
their own action
mircea_popescu: so does everyone, what, you
think kaybosh hungerlice of kenya isn't
trying ?
undata: but I can see
that I've used some of
their
terms
to describe how I feel about it
undata: no, I don't. it's not socialism for my family
to feed itself
mircea_popescu: you don't like
the ulterior effects of socialism, but you do like some of
the premises, such as "X for all", as in, "a future for all", "a chance for all" etc.
undata: in my particular, engineers who rot in
the halls of googles and facebooks, I
think
mircea_popescu: has all
the spunk
that hasn't filled a vagina been wasted ? how about
that's not been swallowed ? rubbed on
tits ?
undata: mircea_popescu: being
that I'm not
the one setting goals for
the society
mircea_popescu: well,
the problem with "wasteful" is you gotta specify more about
the situation
than you can.
undata: mircea_popescu: in reading your article, it seems
that one of
the disconnects in
the above has been
that I perceive certain kinds of conflict wasteful which you do not.
mircea_popescu: hmm can't find it now, but ayway,
there's an entire wank niche dedicated
to woman-to-cow
transformations, woman-dairy farms etc.
jurov: oh
that was an answer
to undata
mircea_popescu: jurov
the dictator's a political institution, not a gnoseological
tool.
jurov: "all men must gather on
the camp of mars" and now all men in actual fact must so gather. << okay, but
to return
to
the
topic, how
this advances rational
thought?
mircea_popescu: (if we're
to
trust
the usual US statistics and general scientific consensus, which is
to say comic books)
mircea_popescu: cincinnatus says "all men must gather on
the camp of mars" and now all men in actual fact must so gather.
mircea_popescu: jurov not so.
the definition of dictatorship is merely "he whose word makes
truth"
jurov: not by some. by everyone by order.
that's definition of dictatorship.
jurov: would he promote rationa
thought?
mircea_popescu: ontological fear of nothingness chewing away at his frail identity somehow resolved.x No, maybe
they came
to him, saying “look Cincinnatus, you are
the best among us, and
the best by so very far you must be our dictator” and he said “Maybe; we’ll see”. What plans did
then Cincinnatus have, exactly ?
That all men must assemble on
the Camp of Mars ? And if
they hadn’t, what exact moral impediment’d have
th
mircea_popescu: specifically, "What fucking plans ? Why does
the dictator have
to absolutely have some sort of plans, aforethought ? Maybe he’s a dictator in
the proper sense, because his group perceived him as worthy. He didn’t go
to
them, like an obnoxious lawyer spawn, with a list of whatever items are fashionable - promises, intentions, qualities, college degrees -
to ask
to be made a dictator and
thus have
the gaping void and
assbot: On
The Superiority of Monarchy (or, adnotations
to Why
the Worst Get on
Top) pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
undata: I'd enjoy clarification of
the point
that
there are no goals in politics.
jurov: there was pseudoscience before wwiii,
there was not much less of it after
jurov: thus
the
trilema's article is false
jurov: i guess
the surviving ideas and people will get selected cvasi randomly
undata: mircea_popescu:
then why does every leader impose one?
mircea_popescu: hence
the entire "proceed from cause not
towards goals"
thing.
undata: asciilifeform:
that's not what I said