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assbot: A humble proposal
to Bitcoin miners pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: A humble proposal
to Bitcoin miners pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: buncha mining ops went down cause 1.
too slow 2. margins
too small
mircea_popescu: yeah,
to have what
to buy swarowsky encrusted buttdongs with
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu so its ok
to ship with 'ircd' user and not 'www-data' user
punkman: is bdb used for anything other
than
the wallet?
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: db_cxx.h would have
the bdb functions used across
the bitcoind codebase, correct? <<< mmmmmmostly
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla
thats not static :D <<
the alternative is actually something a la usb drive mess discussed a week ago or so
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kakobrekla: what's
the alternative, ship gnu/linux with predefined users for all possible programs?
bounce: o_O what's
the alternative, a dynamically allocated user?
kakobrekla: >irc: Used by irc daemons. A statically allocated user is needed only because of a bug in ircd, which SETUID()s itself
to a given UID on startup.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: db_cxx.h would have
the bdb functions used across
the bitcoind codebase, correct?
mircea_popescu: z33andO_o you have
to appreciate, wallets were originally unencrypted. but
this was remedied many years ago, and before
this
thing got started.
z33andO_o: Interesting: It is not just SR2,
this is a coodinated. I
took a brief look at
the other darknet markets
z33andO_o: As I understand it
they got
the SR1 wallet by recovering a deleted unencrypted version of it, who knows if he learnt from
that
z33andO_o: We will just have
to wait for some "news outlets"
to
tell us how much was in SR2 escrow at
the
time and how much
this Benthall had personally (if
they managed
to steal his personal coins)
punkman: how much did
they
take now?
z33andO_o: I do not see
this mentioned here, honeypot Silk Road 2 finally
taken down by
the FBI. No effect on dark net markets since it's market share was dvindling but it does mean
the US government has managed
to steal more BTC
bounce: ah,
this pop culture
thing.
too newfangled for me, I'm afraid.
bounce: not
that I recall. how so?
bounce: only because
that other guy's name doesn't. doesn't make for a winning argument
though.
bounce: the section between r and
t in my dictionary
bounce: the gn00 guys also socialist. poettering not so much,
though. why u no liek systemd?
bounce: what're your indications for
this?
mircea_popescu: which is why its replacement figured majorily in
the prev discussion of bringing pgp implementation up
to snuff
mircea_popescu: anyway, re
the
thinkers : i'm pretty sure
the symmetric cypher is currently
the weakest link in our entire crypto stack.
bounce: multiple
times possibly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bounce anyway, i don't
think we've really managed
to
talk of
the same
thing, so i guess
this entire quesiton will come back in
teh futures.
bounce: even with
the shorter key
the symmetric cipher is
thought
to be stronger
than
the asymmetric cipher
assbot: CiteSeerX — Generating ElGamal signatures without knowing
the secret key
mircea_popescu: for one
thing, dsa/elgamal uses dsa key for signing not encryption. for
the other,
the symmetric block cypher is not so very large anyway/
bounce: er, AIUI it ought
to work just fine most of
the
time, but I did it more
to see if I could do it
than anything else.
mircea_popescu: bounce you understand
this serves no practical purpose yes ?
mircea_popescu: punkbot asciilifeform stop you
two. we are NOT reimplementing gpg before bitcoind is done.
bounce: that'd be single-atom germanium 'tors.
those wily soviets, keeping it secret all
this
time!
punkman: "Creation of X.509 certificates has been improved. It is now also possible
to export
them directly in PKCS#8 and PEM format for use on
TLS servers." << anyone here
tried
to generate ssl certs with GPG yet?
bounce: shattered argument is shattered. also, brb gotta hug a
tree.
punkman: "
The file "secring.gpg" is not anymore used
to store
the secretkeys." << so where did
they put
them?
punkman: the ssh integration seems nice, but can be hacked
together on earlier version I
think
mircea_popescu: the proposition
that "all
things
that are carry purpose equally so" is fallacious, and for
that matter gnoseosocialism!
bounce: inasmuch
that a random motor block conducts electricity. sure, but
that's not really
the point of it being shaped like a motor.
mircea_popescu: so now : all
these run entirely on quantum mechanics.
the box and
the cpu.
this is directly equivalent
to saying "stinks of running entirely on chumps, chumpatron". so ?
mircea_popescu: god fucking help me if someone
took away a single germanium atom.
mircea_popescu: i have a computer here, it runs
this irc session. right next
to it, i have a wooden box. it is ALSO MADE OF MOLECULES. it runs nothing.
they form a society of
the items in my house.
they're all molecules. i wouldn't fucking notice if
the entire fucking wooden box went away.
bounce: I
think we started out
trying for find some sort of raison d'etre for a steady stream of h1b-grantees, didn't we?
bounce: it still stinks of running entirely on chumps, so all we got is a chumpatron. how does
that matter?
mircea_popescu: let's not confuse
things. leaders are leaders, adonis-18
bounce: leaders
that can't lead lead
to nowhere. if you can't anything but
the meekest you're no good as a leader.
bounce: that's an easy one
to shoot down. if
they need
that
they're no good
themselves and you need better people who matter no matter what.
mircea_popescu: harkens back
to
the entire "how come 300 milion usians living in
the best world ever don't produce about 500 renoirs a year ?"
mircea_popescu: in any case, whatever
they need
they get, and
that means you'll issue hb1 visas
to obedient indians if
those are
the only obedient people
to be found.
mircea_popescu: to
try and heal
this utterly scattered conversation : if you properly ignore most of society,
the whole shebang depends on keeping
the few
that matter huming. if
they hum
too slow it cools and dies entirely. if
they hum
too fast it explodes, and you get a golden age.
bounce: meaning
that it's all new by now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and in
the sense
that all uranium decays, all people are people and matter.
mircea_popescu: neither. for
the purpose of
the above, "doped uranium" = natural uranium ore. inert uranium with
traces of radioactive uranium.
bounce: we're
talking about upping
the u238 content, wasn't it?
mircea_popescu: to better understand
this, consider doped uranium. some doped uranium is shaped in pellets, other doped uranium is shaped in bars.
the only
thing
that actually matters is whether
the uranium is doped with radioactive material or not.
mircea_popescu: what matters is : are you going
to do it or aren't you.
mircea_popescu: and so :
technology has nothing
to do with it. if
the
technology is "have 10 people do dances" or if
the
technology is "stay indoors and pile
things"
bounce: quite a few rilly smrt people populating silly valley.
they produce
things like... "social networks" and many many cookie-cutter
technology companies. it doesn't seem
that h1b folks, no matter how smart or many, can hope
to seriously dent
that dominion
mircea_popescu: whether at point A
the
three were motivated
to work and at point B
they were not is
the clou of
the matter.
mircea_popescu: allowing
this as a fact :
that at point A
the
three
that mattered used
thirty others
to dance
the ramma-butta, whereas at point B
the
three
that mattered simply stayed indoors and piled items on
top of other items is not what's relevant.
mircea_popescu: suppose out of a hundred people, ninety-seven don't matter. ever. irrespective of any consideration, if god strikes
them down
tomorrow nothing happens.
mircea_popescu: my proposition is
that
this is entirely besides
the point.