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bounce: ``in the last year or so, weve seen regulators such as the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) come out with guidelines. The challenge would be to not get over-regulated and kill innovation'' -- gavin. http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/11/06/bitcoin_remittance_unstable_currency_regulation/
assbot: A humble proposal to Bitcoin miners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: A humble proposal to Bitcoin miners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: buncha mining ops went down cause 1. too slow 2. margins too small
mircea_popescu: yeah, to have what to buy swarowsky encrusted buttdongs with
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-humble-proposal-to-bitcoin-miners/
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu so its ok to ship with 'ircd' user and not 'www-data' user
mircea_popescu: gotta support the team.
asciilifeform: srsly, these questions.
asciilifeform: just read the damn thing.
mircea_popescu: it's how the chain is stored/processed
punkman: is bdb used for anything other than the wallet?
asciilifeform: the bdbisms are soaked into just about all of it, though
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: db_cxx.h would have the bdb functions used across the bitcoind codebase, correct? <<< mmmmmmostly
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla thats not static :D << the alternative is actually something a la usb drive mess discussed a week ago or so
assbot: Congratulations to our colleagues /FBI for reaching 1M followers. /CIA, you have some work to do!
assbot: FBI New York (@NewYorkFBI) on Twitter
kakobrekla: what's the alternative, ship gnu/linux with predefined users for all possible programs?
bounce: o_O what's the alternative, a dynamically allocated user?
kakobrekla: >irc: Used by irc daemons. A statically allocated user is needed only because of a bug in ircd, which SETUID()s itself to a given UID on startup.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: db_cxx.h would have the bdb functions used across the bitcoind codebase, correct?
mircea_popescu: z33andO_o you have to appreciate, wallets were originally unencrypted. but this was remedied many years ago, and before this thing got started.
z33andO_o: Interesting: It is not just SR2, this is a coodinated. I took a brief look at the other darknet markets
z33andO_o: As I understand it they got the SR1 wallet by recovering a deleted unencrypted version of it, who knows if he learnt from that
z33andO_o: We will just have to wait for some "news outlets" to tell us how much was in SR2 escrow at the time and how much this Benthall had personally (if they managed to steal his personal coins)
mircea_popescu: z33andO_o not necessarily that much
punkman: how much did they take now?
z33andO_o: I do not see this mentioned here, honeypot Silk Road 2 finally taken down by the FBI. No effect on dark net markets since it's market share was dvindling but it does mean the US government has managed to steal more BTC
bounce: ah, this pop culture thing. too newfangled for me, I'm afraid.
gribble: Walter Brennan - To Have And Have Not - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSgqrrWyF0Y>; To Have and Have Not (1944) - Greatest Films: <http://www.filmsite.org/toha.html>; To Have and Have Not (film) - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/To_Have_and_Have_Not_(film)>
gribble: To Have and Have Not (1944) - Greatest Films: <http://www.filmsite.org/toha.html>; Walter Brennan - To Have And Have Not - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSgqrrWyF0Y>; To Have and Have Not (film) - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/To_Have_and_Have_Not_(film)>
bounce: not that I recall. how so?
mircea_popescu: a you're ok then. ever stepped on a dead wasp ?
mircea_popescu: are you the dead serrorist ?
bounce: only because that other guy's name doesn't. doesn't make for a winning argument though.
bounce: the section between r and t in my dictionary
bounce: the gn00 guys also socialist. poettering not so much, though. why u no liek systemd?
bounce: what're your indications for this?
mircea_popescu: it's just not that much of a prioritah jet.
mircea_popescu: which is why its replacement figured majorily in the prev discussion of bringing pgp implementation up to snuff
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the thinkers : i'm pretty sure the symmetric cypher is currently the weakest link in our entire crypto stack.
bounce: multiple times possibly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bounce anyway, i don't think we've really managed to talk of the same thing, so i guess this entire quesiton will come back in teh futures.
bounce: that too
mircea_popescu never trusted dsa anyway
asciilifeform: where are the 'thinkers'
bounce: even with the shorter key the symmetric cipher is thought to be stronger than the asymmetric cipher
assbot: CiteSeerX — Generating ElGamal signatures without knowing the secret key
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why all of this ?
mircea_popescu: for one thing, dsa/elgamal uses dsa key for signing not encryption. for the other, the symmetric block cypher is not so very large anyway/
asciilifeform: the h1b folks are brought in mainly to churn out pseudoscientific papers (the ones i personally worked with at one point) and to crank out 'ruby on rails' and 'java' crud.
asciilifeform: to round off my argument (i'm about to drive off for a spell) the 'pliant, obedient people who gotta suck it up or the lights won't turn on' aren't the h1b folks. they're the phactory gurlz in shenzhen.
bounce: er, AIUI it ought to work just fine most of the time, but I did it more to see if I could do it than anything else.
mircea_popescu: bounce you understand this serves no practical purpose yes ?
mircea_popescu: punkbot asciilifeform stop you two. we are NOT reimplementing gpg before bitcoind is done.
bounce: that'd be single-atom germanium 'tors. those wily soviets, keeping it secret all this time!
asciilifeform: 'The Dirmngr is now part of GnuPG proper and also takes care of accessing keyserver.' << ahaha, we just luv new lib deps
punkman: "Creation of X.509 certificates has been improved. It is now also possible to export them directly in PKCS#8 and PEM format for use on TLS servers." << anyone here tried to generate ssl certs with GPG yet?
asciilifeform knew it! mircea_popescu is running mirceabtc on soviet machine made of discrete germanium transistors!
bounce: shattered argument is shattered. also, brb gotta hug a tree.
punkman: " The file "secring.gpg" is not anymore used to store the secretkeys." << so where did they put them?
punkman: the ssh integration seems nice, but can be hacked together on earlier version I think
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: i'm not seeing anything i actually want in there...
mircea_popescu: the proposition that "all things that are carry purpose equally so" is fallacious, and for that matter gnoseosocialism!
bounce: inasmuch that a random motor block conducts electricity. sure, but that's not really the point of it being shaped like a motor.
mircea_popescu: so now : all these run entirely on quantum mechanics. the box and the cpu. this is directly equivalent to saying "stinks of running entirely on chumps, chumpatron". so ?
mircea_popescu: god fucking help me if someone took away a single germanium atom.
mircea_popescu: i have a computer here, it runs this irc session. right next to it, i have a wooden box. it is ALSO MADE OF MOLECULES. it runs nothing. they form a society of the items in my house. they're all molecules. i wouldn't fucking notice if the entire fucking wooden box went away.
bounce: I think we started out trying for find some sort of raison d'etre for a steady stream of h1b-grantees, didn't we?
bounce: it still stinks of running entirely on chumps, so all we got is a chumpatron. how does that matter?
mircea_popescu: let's not confuse things. leaders are leaders, adonis-18
punkman: "we hired too many people, let's all make block explorers" https://github.com/bitpay/insight https://github.com/coinbase/toshi
bounce: leaders that can't lead lead to nowhere. if you can't anything but the meekest you're no good as a leader.
mircea_popescu: bounce i don't follow this logic.
bounce: that's an easy one to shoot down. if they need that they're no good themselves and you need better people who matter no matter what.
mircea_popescu: harkens back to the entire "how come 300 milion usians living in the best world ever don't produce about 500 renoirs a year ?"
mircea_popescu: in any case, whatever they need they get, and that means you'll issue hb1 visas to obedient indians if those are the only obedient people to be found.
mircea_popescu: to try and heal this utterly scattered conversation : if you properly ignore most of society, the whole shebang depends on keeping the few that matter huming. if they hum too slow it cools and dies entirely. if they hum too fast it explodes, and you get a golden age.
bounce: meaning that it's all new by now.
mircea_popescu: rare as shit, but for the sake of argument.
mircea_popescu: myeah, 150k the lowest. aite...
asciilifeform: 'A few years back, one dreadful boy ran up to me and said, “Mr. Bradbury?” “Yes?” I said. “That book of yours, The Martian Chronicles?” he said. “Yes,” I said. “On page 92 where you have the moons of Mars rising in the east?” “Yeah,” I said. “Nah,” he said. So I hit him. I’ll be damned if I’ll be bullied by bright children.'
mircea_popescu: might be there a loooong time tho.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and in the sense that all uranium decays, all people are people and matter.
mircea_popescu: neither. for the purpose of the above, "doped uranium" = natural uranium ore. inert uranium with traces of radioactive uranium.
bounce: we're talking about upping the u238 content, wasn't it?
mircea_popescu: not the best word.
mircea_popescu: what the DUP does is entirely irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: to better understand this, consider doped uranium. some doped uranium is shaped in pellets, other doped uranium is shaped in bars. the only thing that actually matters is whether the uranium is doped with radioactive material or not.
mircea_popescu: what matters is : are you going to do it or aren't you.
mircea_popescu: and so : technology has nothing to do with it. if the technology is "have 10 people do dances" or if the technology is "stay indoors and pile things"
bounce: quite a few rilly smrt people populating silly valley. they produce things like... "social networks" and many many cookie-cutter technology companies. it doesn't seem that h1b folks, no matter how smart or many, can hope to seriously dent that dominion
mircea_popescu: whether at point A the three were motivated to work and at point B they were not is the clou of the matter.
asciilifeform: where i'm from we have catch phrase for this, "отряд не заметил потери бойца"
mircea_popescu: allowing this as a fact : that at point A the three that mattered used thirty others to dance the ramma-butta, whereas at point B the three that mattered simply stayed indoors and piled items on top of other items is not what's relevant.
mircea_popescu: suppose out of a hundred people, ninety-seven don't matter. ever. irrespective of any consideration, if god strikes them down tomorrow nothing happens.
asciilifeform: the availability of zamac doesn't cause crud to be produced in lieu of genuine article. or does it?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform entertain this model for a second :
asciilifeform: the attempted point is that the h1b folks are quite analogous to 'zamac'
mircea_popescu: my proposition is that this is entirely besides the point.