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chetty: now I wonder how many copies of that are floating about
mircea_popescu: i mean... that's like britney spears level.
assbot: Asylum: The Novel: Chet, Zeno: Amazon.com: Books
mircea_popescu: "The result? A formatting language too wimpy even for a novel." <<< this is pure nonsense. i had my novel on the web just fine in plain html.
mircea_popescu: i believe the proper femsociety word for one who does not care about stupid shit is rapist.
JorgePasada: Bitcoin is a whole-assed implementation of skin in the game...
pete_dushenski: the concept of skin in the game is nothing new
pete_dushenski: the architect knows more than the inspector ever could
pete_dushenski: which is why they invented hammurabi's code
asciilifeform: this is more or less same as the (very true) observation that buildings which stand up, whether in england or in best-korea, are designed on same basic principles.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ever read whatever software the dns letters run ? who ever wrote a patch for it ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the entire extension and so forth : everything that works on the internet and in the world works on "our" principles.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
pete_dushenski: @pete_dushenski Just like http://bitcoin-assets.com RT @nntaleb: Hard to conceive, but #ISIS is the product of the internet.
assbot: Just like http://t.co/VhF3XQ1Tiq RT /nntaleb: Hard to conceive, but /hashtag/ISIS?src=hash is the product of the internet.
PeterL: but I want everything to fit in the models I already have !!1!
mircea_popescu: PeterL the reason i said "for the theoretically minded" was exactly this tongue in cheek point. "take your broken models and try make sense of the world whydontcha!"
mircea_popescu: ^ that's r18 btw, don't read among small children.
asciilifeform: PeterL: what is the point of shoehorning things into these weird categories?
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/pigfarmin/
PeterL: would you consider chemistry literature open or closed? I guess it is similar idea, to put stuff in it has to be vetted by experts
mircea_popescu re-reads, notices he misspelled guns as huns, wonders why the fuck has he not realised this before.
mircea_popescu: PeterL look at the discussion about al schwartz's failed measurements.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is necessarily so. because godel is a cult.
JorgePasada: asciilifeform: exactly, it's in the network of people & the chain of transactions and everything that's brought us to this point.
mircea_popescu: code works slowly, you spend a life and in the end it's all a waste.
mircea_popescu: PeterL huns are open for anyone to take, and kill themselves with.
JorgePasada: PeterL: Anyone can fork it, not anyone can do the backlog of proof of work to 'take' things though.
asciilifeform: one possible argument here is that the complete system is not in the code.
PeterL: so therefore it is open for anybody to take
mircea_popescu: i hear gavin is planning to fork bitcoin and make his own version.
asciilifeform: and they can grow own gurlz
mircea_popescu: sure, they could.
PeterL: well, with code, they could fork it and make their own version
mircea_popescu: that safadean fellow can get in the wot. but otherwise, most people can try.
mircea_popescu: and no, emphatically NOT anyone can get in the wot.
mircea_popescu: and i did happen to have the finest bitches in the place, buncha losers.
mircea_popescu: yes, anyone can read it. i went to a swinger's club yest, anyone could look at my bitches.
PeterL: and anybody can get into the WoT
mircea_popescu: suppose ninjashogun wants to push a patch for deedbot. or, whatever, the cardano.
mircea_popescu: PeterL if you're in the wot.
PeterL: so far, to me, it looks open source
mircea_popescu: PeterL well, it should be obvious in the logs :D!!!
asciilifeform: and likely to suffer the fate of the first deedbot at some point, possibly repeatedly
asciilifeform: from what i can personally see, it's heavy on the duct tape
mircea_popescu: yeah hacking the supernintendo is actually still part of training hackers afaik.
asciilifeform: hence definable. and works, like mathematics, rather than like sand castle built in a cesspit.
asciilifeform: because the machine is standard. as in, entirely. and entirely stateless except for your rom.
asciilifeform: one reason why folks still write programs for toys such as 'super nintendo' - despite the need to DIY roms
mircea_popescu: because it technically satisfies both definitions.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for the theoretically minded : would you say the b-a software paradigm is open source or closed source ?
asciilifeform: the above point re: flash and pdf, also applies to game machines.
asciilifeform: it did not make sense in my mind at the time.
asciilifeform: a greybeard once described the modern computer as 'apartment with plumbing but no sewer connection'
mircea_popescu: they use exaclty a biological implementation of personal sovereignity to build open but not too open systems that survive well in the world.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, living things seem a little more advanced than our computers on this exact path
mircea_popescu: this is, at least in my view, why personal sovereignity is not avoidable on the mid or long term.
asciilifeform: everything i just said re: flash, applies also to 'pdf'
asciilifeform: a whole gang of vultures 'embraced and extended' them, including but not limited to microshit
asciilifeform: www in the html-js-and-extension-crud sense is a case of standards 'so open their brains fall out'
asciilifeform: this is why flash survives in spite of being written by - what appears to be downs-syndrome cases
mircea_popescu: as stupid as the man in charge can be, the benefits often outpace the damage. this was discussed here re stalin
PeterL: sort of the complete opposite of open source?
asciilifeform: 'flash' survives precisely because it is a mostly opaque binary format, which browsers can't 'spread democracy to'
PeterL: Oh, my computer can't get chrome, in VM Ubuntu the chrome says it can't get the latest flash
JorgePasada: PeterL: I believe that all versions of chrome do this automatically
PeterL: I don't feel like I need flash enough to get a whole new browser
PeterL: JorgePasada: do they have such things?
asciilifeform: i suspect most folks here do this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, re i do the same.
PeterL: but old enough that it can't upgrade to newer versions of MacOS
JorgePasada: PeterL: Couldn't you just download a custom browser package that has a version of flash bundled with it then?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> personally, i have always used only the most basic and essential subset of pgp std. functionality. <<
PeterL: just another way to introduce more dependencies
pete_dushenski: not like jobs didn't try to kill it
asciilifeform: PeterL: it is worth thinking about why 'flash' remains a thing.
PeterL: asciilifeform: re flash: my daughter's school uses some online math games, requires flash. I tried to log her in, can't because most recent flash is no longer supporting linux or pre-'08 macOS
asciilifeform: where you gotta resubscribe if want to swap key.
asciilifeform: and the ultimate champ in cementing ancient keys in place, or so i'm told, mircea_popescu's mpex
asciilifeform: jurov's turdatron, another
asciilifeform: and wot isn't even the only gizmo here that uses keys
asciilifeform: personally, i have always used only the most basic and essential subset of pgp std. functionality.
asciilifeform: i still don't know this.
pete_dushenski: i suppose you could use a subkey for gribble and keep the master airgapped
pete_dushenski: so i guess the question is whether keeping a key online for gribble authing is *that* much of a risk
ben_vulpes: you can also pull your master key out of the keyring and stash it safely somewhere, pete_dushenski
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the point of airgapping is to defend the key. which you are using when you sign, yes
pete_dushenski: noob question about pgp keys: is there any sense in airgapping for signing only?
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: ah, hamburg is a nice town
JorgePasada: Technically 31c3 is the confrerence I guess
assbot: CCC - 31c3 (@31c3) on Twitter
mod6: *nod* ok, thanks mp
mircea_popescu: appreciate my "in the end it's unclear" instead. it's damned good :D
mircea_popescu: so in the end it's unclear.
mircea_popescu: course then russia was trying to join california in the warsaw pact, and a bunch of topless aggitator chicks kept fucking the pot,
JorgePasada: Anyone going to CCC this year? I'm thinking about making the trip
mircea_popescu: these piled up, eventually the us collapsed of it, took them twenty years to regroup, but meanwhile lost alaska and california.
mircea_popescu: at some point in the cold war, the united states president was a totally inept ninkompoop, principally remembered for having taken his shoes off in the un council. this guy had an oversized military and inept economic policies that stalled the country. his fellow americans didn't think much of him, kept making little mistakes.
mod6: well, i guess there isn't anything I can do now, other than sign it again with 512 ://