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undata: asciilifeform: social media is the shriek of the headphones
asciilifeform: (if there remains alive even one who has not read it)
gribble: Harrison Bergeron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron>; Harrison Bergeron - Tnellen.com: <http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html>; Full text of "Harrison Bergeron (& Activity)" - Internet Archive: <https://archive.org/stream/HarrisonBergeron/Harrison%20Bergeron_djvu.txt>
decimation: yeah sorry for the shorthand. You can view the whole series here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIzOma9Pyv8&list=PLA6274B0CEF58CEB0 (or download with youtube-dl)
mircea_popescu: how dare they be better than the scumcrowd!11
mircea_popescu: "By their nature as vigilantes, acting outside or above the law, most superheroes have a troubling undercurrent of aristocratic, undemocratic, authoritarian values."
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2014 03:30:35; asciilifeform: nitpick with pediwikia - the 'batman' in the epic is not wearing a 'batman' costume. he's a bloke who smashes heads with a baseball bat.
BingoBoingo: From the lulzmines: "Batman is a rich white psychopath who beats up poor people for fun. He is not now and never has been a hero."
mircea_popescu: english has the funcitonal equivalent, "the deal fell through"
asciilifeform: (for folks reading this who have no idea - there was not a film called 'stierlitz', but it is the cover name of the hero in iconic ru multiparter '17 moments of spring.')
asciilifeform: the closest translation would probably be 'blown'
decimation: I get the feeling that's the wrong translation at times
asciilifeform: as in, through a hole in the street
asciilifeform: literally, 'fell through'
decimation: asciilifeform: in Stierlitz, the poor English translation for the word that refers to when a spy is killed 'doing his duty' seems to be 'failed'
asciilifeform: decimation: 2way traffic is a forced wartime thing. when you have no one in diplomatic cover behind the lines.
mircea_popescu: and to think the derps are going o nbout "blockchain technology". as if.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> it's not even a 'technology' in the sense semiconductor is - but more as arithmetic is. << quite agreed,
asciilifeform: after the war, it was almost unheard of to have 2way traffic at all
decimation: yeah I also found it interesting in 'stierlitz' that he didn't send his own morse/radio traffic
asciilifeform: and reduce mistakes (professional 'morse man' and skilled 'illegal' is like asking to hire a pro racing driver who is also an expert cocksucker)
decimation: the original idea was to mark a strip of paper with the morse characters, but very soon after the telegraph was introduced it was realized that operators could send by ear much more quickly
asciilifeform: it was mainly to shorten total 'on air' time, to make triangulation harder
asciilifeform: it was then fed into the telegraph.
asciilifeform: the ru version was a very simple stapler-shaped gizmo that punched holes in old 35mm film
decimation: as nearly all enigma traffic was sent by hand morse
decimation: later, when the germans started to encrypt the 'headers', they were able to sort out each crypto link by the intercept operator's ability to recognize his opponent's hand
asciilifeform: hand >> incidentally, this was part of the reason why shortly after the war, most intelligence orgs moved to mechanical (punched tape) operation
decimation: the uk operators at the "Y" stations became familiar with the 'hand' of each german operator
decimation: asciilifeform: when I visited Bletchley park, they told a story about this. Apparently the germans initially sent the 'headers' in enigma traffic in plaintext before the message
asciilifeform: 'hand' here is in the sense of 'handwriting'
asciilifeform: not to be confused with 'telegrapher's glass arm' disease
undata: asciilifeform: how does it compare to emacs claw?
asciilifeform: morse 'hand' is a thing, ask anyone who still deals with it
decimation: I was amused the reference to the lady morse operator's "hand"
asciilifeform: namely - if you're operating using some other, incompatible abstraction - the result will be demonstrable nonsense.
asciilifeform: it's not even a 'technology' in the sense semiconductor is - but more as arithmetic is.
asciilifeform: no one will even think to mention 'wot-based' gizmo in the future, just as when you buy a pc now - the crate does not bother to say 'semiconductor-based'
mircea_popescu: "hard to keep people from observing water is wet once their wanderings take them to an ocean"
gribble: Quote by Robert A. Heinlein: “When railroading time comes you can ...: <https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/557199-when-railroading-time-comes-you-can-railroad-but-not-before>; Q&N: The Door into Summer (Heinlein) - Hjkeen.net: <http://www.hjkeen.net/halqn/dor2sumr.htm>; Railroad Time - Home Page - TimeZone: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: ;;google railroading time
mircea_popescu: nothing as indomitable as an idea whose time has come eh
asciilifeform: (a rusty nail semiconducts, if you know where on it to stick a probe. this is how 'coherer' - first radio receiver - worked, though its inventor did not know this)
asciilifeform: interestingly, mr mold invented almost precisely the same scheme, afaik independently, neither of us lifted from the other
asciilifeform: but that's ancient history.
asciilifeform: decided that it would be a particularly apt name for the ideal 'crucifix' against the vampires in question.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, i lifted 'kyristor' name not from the obvious place, but from a zoological exploration of a peculiarly malignant femiderp re: 'kyriarchy'
mircea_popescu: but the unbreached fortress is exactly as fortified as any other unbreached fortress : infinitely so.
mircea_popescu: just how well fortified it actually is =- that's a technical discussion'
asciilifeform: well, the pieces are here.
mircea_popescu: now see, THAT is a fortress worth making
asciilifeform: 'god help us if the thinking folks find one another'
mircea_popescu: "god help us if people are in charge of their own lives, anything b ut that" ?
asciilifeform: except that it goes beyond active disinterest.
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu The idea being that any current “social media” website is a defective implementation of the WoT, what I intend to do is prove this point. Because the sort of idiots involved won’t figure it on their own, and the assholes a la zuck and conde nast have about as much interest in the matter as your random bank cares about getting off shitty buggy ms software.
asciilifeform: which is, that to the victim's nose it distantly resembles the real thing - but has an ulterior motive baked in.
assbot: Spamming reddit, an “experiment”. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: in fact, 'reddit' gizmos can be seen as a specially broken case of wot - having the same relationship to wot as baited rat poison has to food
asciilifeform: in the sense that it is the only solution - yes.
asciilifeform: (an individual could be a 'node' on any number of orthogonal wots, such as film tastes, mathematics, etc)
asciilifeform: ^ my ancient failed attempt at 'wot.' was to be used with another (never happened) apparatus, 'sollipse,' for running a 'multiverse' of wots. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: hear what five hundred internet imbeciles thought about racism in THIS film
asciilifeform: (a review of the very primitive state of the art)
mircea_popescu: "see the films that people you trust liked"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is why the "unspecified" website i asked for someone to make a month ago and punkman volunteered is EXACTLY a wot-driven film database.
undata: given a BTC transaction which represents an "item" in the catalog, there could as well be transactions which refer to that one and rate it
asciilifeform: this, as often is, - is one of the 'insufficient wot in extant system' cases.
mircea_popescu: as in, "only films that were actually films once"
mircea_popescu: while the exercise is instructive, i don't really believe it's the girls' fault exactly.
asciilifeform: undata: you need 'wot' baked in or you get idiots gaming the ratio system, the way they did on 1990s bbs.
mircea_popescu: but the problem is not merely storage. retrieval is up there too. consider the simple task "let us watc ha movie". the girls now have to find one. i've distributed more lashes for failure to find good films than for all other reasons combined, in 2014.
asciilifeform: (it was all crud long-overdue for the recycling vats from the moment of printing, naturally)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me of a tale from the pet. she was once given a bag of 'books' by a 'friend' who vaguely recalled that she 'likes reading books.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's precisely it.
mircea_popescu: "and here is where we keep the books" . "what's in them ? " " letter"
undata: it seems that kind of incentive structure could be tweaked to reward preserving the obscure
mircea_popescu: in fact, the way digital stuff is handled, it reminds me of how books would be handled in the house a functionally illiterate peasant from the 1900s.
undata: the sites I'm thinking of solve this by making upload credits capital you spend on download, effectively
asciilifeform: well if you want something to read we prolly have a coupla books << prison library.
asciilifeform: though it's out there.
mircea_popescu: rather than "we have every book ever made"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: another example. want w4r3z copy of 'winblows' ? easy as fart. want the leaked microshit source? (why!?!? but that's another question) - harder.
mircea_popescu: imagine if libraries of the paper variety were organised on the principle that "well if you want something to read we prolly have a coupla books"
mircea_popescu: suppose i wanted to do something of the substance of actual reason, knowledge, science. da fuck do i do ? pray ?
mircea_popescu: yes, it serves someone wanting to jack off just fine, because nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: none of the major 'libraries' have '% ratios' though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll tell you something about obscure. perhaps the best franchise in the history of western pornography is kink.com. best in purely aesthetic terms. now, their various brands, things such as i dunno, publichumiliation exist on the piratebay in the sense of maybe a dozen items out of what, 500 ? 1k total ?
asciilifeform: and the language barrier mostly (not always!) keeps enemy at bay
asciilifeform: it also works by having some specificity - as in, 'only books that were actual books once'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how's the russian thing work ? mostly as undata's idea, right ? loosely affiliated, % enforcing warez sites
asciilifeform: undata: 'obscure' here is almost by definition - that which is not found on 'pirate bay' and the like
mircea_popescu: and the body out of hair
undata: asciilifeform: what about torrent sites with seed ratio requirements? They seem to have done well as archives, even of the obscure.
asciilifeform: warez censor is not the only mouse in the warehouse. there's moth and dust, father time.
mircea_popescu: how about this canonical formulation of it : most of what i know i know alone, because the "internet" is made out of knowledge in the sense the earth is made out of grass.
asciilifeform: it's a serious problem, and folks who don't routinely discuss 20+ year old, moderately-obscure documents don't even know the beginning of it.
mircea_popescu: is clear testament to this being a major problem.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the current state of the web, 50% or more linkrotted away
mircea_popescu: problem goes deeper : if "who can add is finite" then you have a point of failure baked in quite nastily.
asciilifeform: ('eternity' was one of the more braindamaged ones, so perhaps that wasn't it)