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asciilifeform: it is fiat if i can't see the sun and rely on the kind to tell me
asciilifeform: we haven't invented non-fiat time yet
solrodar: it sees their implementations but it doesn't see calls to them via the virtual lookup mechanism
asciilifeform: solrodar: your tool doesn't see virtual functions ?
solrodar: they don't appear to be in the clang output
punkman: btw aren't all those stacked "using namespace std;" "using namespace boost;" statements a bad idea?
asciilifeform: i don't need the garbage that comes out of codeviz or those other 3
solrodar: yeah, I don't know why it doesn't always do that
asciilifeform: wasn't the idea
solrodar: you can get dot to lay the graph out from top to bottom rather than left to right, but it won't be any better
solrodar: I don't see how changing that would give you more space
asciilifeform: they don't have to be
solrodar: I don't follow you
asciilifeform: (the job won't be done, but it will become possible for me to do it)
solrodar: I don't think any amount of manual arrangement would shrink the overall size that much
asciilifeform: trinque: i really don't understand why
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193749 << this is an important point that i don't think asciilifeform fully digested. replay attacks that rely on block count do not work. actuall superior WORK has to be shown. ☝︎
trinque: though one hopes it doesn't take long enough for that
mircea_popescu: just like in english, it doesn't actually mean anything, unlike english it is not used by the hipstery youth.
mircea_popescu: http://polymatharchives.blogspot.in/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html << this thing is such bs. if the intelligent need to whine on an obscure blog, and for "society" to GIVE THEM shit they're about as intelligent as a mensa chapter. which isn't all that flattering. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: fact is, if you're not willing to consider the things you aren't going to do, your not doing them is not any sort merit, and it certainly won't ever work in your favour.
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 19:51:46; ascii_field: the 'capable' part is definitely key. who hasn't met his fair share of hack writers, for instance, poor schmucks grasping desperately for one singe original idea? and never finding it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193636 << consider many of the things we regularly discuss here. most people are neither willing to consider not even willing to look upon the outrage that goes on daily, hourly. be it icons of say badly beaten up women, or whatever else. plenty of people keep lists of words they won't ever say. this disinclination ~to consider~, however the subject justifies it, is the c ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193627 << this is not unlike inquiring "what makes the sterile woman the waste of chocolate that she is". she only becomes that if you put her in a matronly role. otherwise, i wouldn't want a fertile catwoman. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <decimation> spacetime doesn't exist? << It isn't space or time, merely the manifold until it is intuited by the apperception
decimation: spacetime doesn't exist?
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 18:06:08; ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: this doesn't help either. no one can force them to keep making the 'doxxed' chip.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it doesn't acvtually depend on it.
thestringpuller: we get fee market. fuck the people who can't pay for their nice things
mod6: 'don't be poor'
ascii_field: because they can't send their 0.01 btc without fee
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193852 << the fucking market is there. nobody broke it. but to redditards, 'market won't supply me with free shit' == 'market has failed' ☝︎
shinohai: And it is fantastic work, imho. My shell provider doesn't bitch at me about bandwidth anymore either.
ascii_field: shinohai: he didn't
ascii_field: except when they don't. then, suddenly, much less talk of space stations
ascii_field: it doesn't
ascii_field: at any rate, we don't actually know how to do 'proof of work' thing using meat.
ascii_field: don't even need a computer.
ben_vulpes: i'm sure you've gone into this in depth, but doesn't the length of the current main chain make that ludicrously expensive?
decimation: they don't own clocks and can't see the sunrise and don't know where they are too?
ascii_field: natural phenomena don't fit the bill
ascii_field: anyway, since this thread came back to life, i will point out that mircea_popescu is right re: the notion of time being necessary for a bitcoin net. but it doesn't have to come from a clock as traditionally understood
decimation: you might be able to determine the angle of the sun w.r.t. the earth's surface
ascii_field: can't wait
ascii_field: true Not Giving A Fuck doesn't have a plus or minus sign. it's just a big fat zero.
trinque: and if he doesn't, you get http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist1/norton.html
ascii_field: the 'capable' part is definitely key. who hasn't met his fair share of hack writers, for instance, poor schmucks grasping desperately for one singe original idea? and never finding it ☟︎
trinque: ascii_field: I don't follow
ascii_field: trinque: intelligence doesn't breed true. (stupidity, however, does. this confuses folks)
mats: ain't social science great
trinque: war doesn't really reduce redundant population
williamdunne: Recently did some stuff for the BitFinex guys, that wasn't much fun but y'know. Pays for stuff. Think I'll have more with them in future
williamdunne: gabriel_laddel: About 12 months ago I was tasked with checking the security of a fiat institution. Within three hours I had found two different bugs to send money from accounts that weren't mine, and two different bugs to view all account details that weren't mine, and another to see all transaction details that weren't mine.
ascii_field: including aspects that a programmer doesn't give a flying fuck about, like chemistry
ascii_field: a 'doxxed' fpga is entirely useless if you can't get it!
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: this doesn't help either. no one can force them to keep making the 'doxxed' chip. ☟︎
ascii_field: we don't have any gurlz though
ascii_field: and we - thus far - don't.
ascii_field: it doesn't work unless you have access to the right cock
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: no, it isn't 'greatest leak ever' - but certainly the most complete gutting of a usg contractor in history
mod6: grab those, verify, unpack; beware that you need to drop openssl/bdb/boost in distfiles by hand. and ascii_field's script doesn't want boost.tar.gz, wants boost.tar.bz
decimation: don't grab the wrong ones
ascii_field: ^^^^ ~that~'s why doesn't work
ascii_field: didn't see any obvious ones in the 'git' login config
mircea_popescu: i am sure gabriel_laddel proposed "don't do that" won' cut it with alf - but i am also sure a "sometimes warn before" behaviour would be acceptable.
gabriel_laddel: Don't do that.
gabriel_laddel: What happens if I (loop while t do ...) on a von n. arch? it just runs forever. Same thing.
gabriel_laddel: jurov: No it isn't. It just eats all required resources and (maybe) returns.
gabriel_laddel: jurov: the routing can't be that difficult
gabriel_laddel: I suggest you don't contemplate the loper device.
ben_vulpes: anyways i don't believe you nobody gets paid to write common lisp lalala i can't hear you
ben_vulpes: now on one hand that this thing doesn't give programmers any handles to alter test data is fine, in that it forces one to either work in a js repl or you know /actually write tests/
ben_vulpes: there is a SaaS that handles users for people who for whatever reason don't want to stand up their own services and servers.
williamdunne: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193046 << nah, I wasn't the one being asphyxiated, and the marks are not the result of it ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 09:00:25; cazalla: good logs, good meal, no good wine to go with it but 2/3 ain't bad eh
mircea_popescu: lol 0.7 implemented tx manipulation that doesn't work on 1mb sized txn ?
danielpbarron: i don't think it's even checking the validity of the tx, and is instead rejecting the hex string as being too long; I can get my 0.5.3 node to give the same error and it doesn't recognize the method
mircea_popescu: what you're saying is basically "i'm more interested in food that doesn't rely on being digested"
danielpbarron: > bitcoind: Argument list too long << my 0.7.2 node didn't like it
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 05:26:05; asciilifeform: i'm more partial to cryptocurrency that doesn't rely on clocks.
asciilifeform: but it will continue to suck in all sorts of other financial garbage and use it to spew forth Euros without comment, keeping other European countries on financial life support simply because they aren't Greece.'
asciilifeform: ries in line... Add to this a double-helping of double standards. The IMF won't lend to Greece because it requires some assurance of repayment; but it will continue to lend to the Ukraine, which is in default and collapsing rapidly, without any such assurances because, you see, the decision is a political one. The European Central Bank no longer accepts Greek bonds as collateral because, you see, it considers them to be junk;
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 12:18:05; funkenstein_: <asciilifeform> i'm more partial to cryptocurrency that doesn't rely on clocks. <-- there was one called liquidcoin
funkenstein_: <asciilifeform> i'm more partial to cryptocurrency that doesn't rely on clocks. <-- there was one called liquidcoin ☟︎
cazalla: good logs, good meal, no good wine to go with it but 2/3 ain't bad eh ☟︎
ag3nt_zer0: "But getting the game into a person's hands immediately after they have been raped, for example, won't always be practical, so the team tested whether it could still work a day later – after the memory had been consolidated and slept on." haha
asciilifeform: i'm more partial to cryptocurrency that doesn't rely on clocks. ☟︎
decimation: I have a few sketches for such a thing, but I can't get around the problem of fixed keys that need to be distributed to listeners
decimation: at any rate, your objection to coordinating clocks seems to boil down to "can't carry messages of a known latency over spacetime"
asciilifeform: 'isn't that bad' l0l
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> want a fucking WALL POSTER << codebase isn't that bad, should be doable by hand :P
mircea_popescu: no, the problem with landmines atm is that they can't be safely defused
asciilifeform: the accuracy doesn't matter because you have no way of knowing whether the above have been done to you
decimation: this doesn't solve the "pogo clock is shit" problem
asciilifeform: (and don't forget the merely lazy)
asciilifeform: then shouldn't have any interest in pogo
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: for the same reason pulling one's cock doesn't work as a means of flight
ben_vulpes: do y'all eventually get to why averaging out umpteen 2016 blocks won't work in place of timekeeping?
asciilifeform: don't give much of a shit any more
asciilifeform: isn't that the fella who got 'beaten to death by accident' in a johannesburg police station ?