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asciilifeform: very satisfying 'click', too
decimation: yeah that's all 'mil-spec' hardware, with the 'round' connectors
asciilifeform: the physical workmanship of the knobs, etc. - was superb.
asciilifeform: someone who wants to make a spy drama film, will buy it.
decimation: lol that would be amusing as a party trick
asciilifeform: and nobody wants the crud - computerized eeg is pocket-sized
asciilifeform: apparently they are common as dirt
asciilifeform: ^ saw this alive in a university surplus shop last week.
decimation: apparently usg agents are zealously evangelizing their 'secret' polygraph faith around the world
assbot: Federal Polygraph School Gave Countermeasure Information to Polygraph Company | AntiPolygraph.org News
decimation: asciilifeform: there was another interesting story on that site: https://antipolygraph.org/blog/2014/10/15/federal-polygraph-school-gave-countermeasure-information-to-polygraph-company/
asciilifeform: (different thread, similar concept)
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2014 17:35:40; asciilifeform: the one common anthropological thread i see here is that most governments insist on some 'national' symbolic meaning in their chosen means of execution. e.g., the french guillotine across all five 'republics'
asciilifeform: decimation: aha but the 'scientific' flavour.
decimation: asciilifeform: it would be more honest if usg made its agents walk on coals and swear secret loyalty to the civil service - it would be much more honest and straighforward
decimation: so an actual usg spycatcher actually caught found that the polygraph actually hindered his investigation
asciilifeform: they preferentially target the retarded for prosecution, big news.
decimation: "WHEN I WAS ACTIVELY DISCOURAGING HER FROM TAKING ANOTHER EXAMPLE QUOTE FRANKLY I WAS AFRAID THAT SHE WOULD PASS IT AGAIN. THAT WOULD NOT HELP ME OUT OF IT. "
decimation: "ONE THING YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE THING I MENTIONED AT LEAST TWICE, THAT ANA PASSED OUR POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION 1994 THAT DID NOT DETER ME OR FBI FROM PURSUING THIS. WE KNEW SHE PASSED THAT EXAM, SO WHAT?"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He was the sportsman in the 1990's shot his finger off a few weeks ago. Reattached. "Modern Medicine" has problems.
assbot: Book Discussion True Believer | Video | C-SPAN.org
decimation: This lead me to this guy http://www.c-span.org/video/?200264-1/book-discussion-true-believer
decimation: so basically they are going to try to convict this guy for training people pretending to be people who take usg's pseudoscience seriously
decimation: apparently the detail there is that all of the 'evidence' was collected by undercover cops
asciilifeform: peculiarly corrupted fax scan, too
asciilifeform: aha that was in here earlier i think
assbot: Doug Williams Indicted for Teaching How to Pass a Polygraph Test | AntiPolygraph.org News
asciilifeform: or was this something to do with the sportsmen
asciilifeform: did i miss something? how did we get to gangrene ?
BingoBoingo: And twitter censored the picture of the actual necrotic finger
assbot: My finger should have been amputated from the beginning. It was very loose with no bone to connect it.it was also smelling really bad.
decimation: a portion of them are doing exactly that every year
asciilifeform: the capital controls being slowly worked in, are mainly to guard against this.
decimation: yeah that's probably true
asciilifeform: decimation: however, there is perhaps a million people in usa who, if they were to suffer some form of 'brain parasite', could easily jump the border and live this way on the capital they could smuggle out.
decimation: certainly the inflationary currency, the confiscatory taxation, and the expense of home and bread combine to make this lifestyle nearly impossible in the us
BingoBoingo: And in the course of writing that Mizzou leads Texas Ass&Mouth 34-20 now because they scored another touchdown.
decimation: at any rate, I get you point, but you realize that the number of folks who are 'free' by your definition are probably less than a few thousand in the us
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So there's a media narrative when team A is having a horrible year that supposed they were good enough to win if only the competition wasn't so strong. But the narrative for Team B is that they are so miserable and wouldn't be winning if only their competition wasn't so weak. And then teams A and B finally meet and in the game B actually maintains a position of superiority.
asciilifeform: assuming they have not fallen into official disfavour by then.
asciilifeform: if it were to implode, the shills will be placed into similar roles elsewhere
decimation: so while he might be able to skate for a few years, later he's a pauper in retirement living on government cheese
decimation: well, the bigger point - do we really think his 'foundation' is going to last that long anyway?
asciilifeform: his pay is in fact contingent not only on 'playing ball' but continued usefulness to handler
asciilifeform: decimation: but that he is not actually free to, for example, do a 'decent' bitcoind
asciilifeform: decimation: that was not the point
decimation: asciilifeform: do you think gavin works 40 hours per week on the git repo?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> unfortunately BingoBoingo may be the only man alive who can see this similarity << So the most superficial similarity is the media narrative. A&M is perenial legit title contender while MIZ accidentallied the SEC east championship last year and accidentally is in the lead to win it again this year.
asciilifeform: for example, gavin, a paid shill, has no free time (he is not his own man)
asciilifeform: ^ this, afaik, covers all edge cases
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2014 01:35:27; asciilifeform: rephrase, if you like, as 'unit of discretionary income per unit of lost free time.' ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Eh, you get used to it. After about the 5th time when you get rather sure you aren't dying it's not hard to just go back the fuck to sleep by waiting it out.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not "painful" as in pain pain. More like having a strong electrical current between your temple and ear while your legs cramp in a way that might need ice in the morning. More discomfort than pain proper.
decimation: BingoBoingo: is that 'painful'?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I consider it the privledge of being neurologically deviant
asciilifeform: unfortunately BingoBoingo may be the only man alive who can see this similarity
assbot: Missouri Tigers vs. Texas A&M Aggies - Box Score - November 15, 2014 - ESPN
BingoBoingo suspects there are more similarities between http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=400548341 and Bitcoin than many might suspect.
BingoBoingo: It was on the Ti-89 I had and the computer I acquired in the same window of time. My affinity is probably mostly through familiarity
decimation: I remember having to program a 68k variant microcontroller in school, wasn't too bad
asciilifeform is not particularly in love with the 68k
BingoBoingo: "Apple" never had a chance at that.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: While 8 could be forced onto Pre-RISC macs, the result is, and I emphasize IS, never pretty.
decimation: one wonders what would have happened if apple actually went down the lisp machine route
asciilifeform: (9 was to have memory protection, but the brass over-ruled it)
decimation: and take down the whole machine
decimation: at least with the shitware I was running, they would regularly crash
decimation: BingoBoingo: my experience with macs pre OSX were all macos 8 and 9 - and they both sucked ass
BingoBoingo: The problem with Mac OS 8 and later is that it tempts with the fatally broken.
asciilifeform: in most ways - better. because less retardation in the payloads.
decimation: I recall using netscape 1.0 and the user experience was pretty much the same as firefox 30
BingoBoingo: This is reminiscent of how Mac OS 9 is less viable on the Internet than OS 7.5.1
asciilifeform regular user of 'lynx', perhaps one of ten left...
decimation: the question is - what have we 'bought' for all this bloatware?
asciilifeform: and that's more or less it.
BingoBoingo: They distribute moisture too evenly over the surface so that it manages to still contact the tabletop
asciilifeform: my point earlier was that code bloat is ubiquitous and pestilential and finally made the old hardware unusable with software of even moderately distant (starting '05 or so) vintage.
decimation: ran this >> http://www.ka9q.net/code/ka9qnos/
decimation: it was connected to a radio modem and managed to pass tcp to other ham radio operators
decimation: back in my youth I actually ran a tcp/ip node on an 8086
BingoBoingo: Oh, we never got their attention until the CD era
decimation: later they switched to cds
asciilifeform: although they were shoddy
asciilifeform: i liked the aol floppy disks.
devthedev: I wasn't even alive during the days of CompuServe
decimation: yeah there were free forums as I recal
BingoBoingo remember AOL for the copious coaster they mailed
undata: decimation: ah I had that
asciilifeform: never even saw them alive.
decimation: asciilifeform: did you have 'compuserve' back in the day?
asciilifeform: a recent openbsd (what i eventually settled on for that machine) consumes virtually the whole 64m.
asciilifeform: the main culprit is the www crud
decimation: yeah. I was able to get plenty to run back in in the mid 90's
asciilifeform: i know of no setup where it is possible to set up even a very decent 486 in such a way that it can be used for serious work today.
asciilifeform: incidentally, try this today.
decimation: yeah. I remember using slackware 3 on my old 486, and barely getting X to run - and also wondering what its point would be
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, the KDE problem is they went from desktop environment to software development club in the bad way
undata: and you get to make decisions like turning on stack protector and whatnot
decimation: but instead of being the 'adult' alternative to gnome, kde surrendered to idiocy
undata: with a relatively modern machine the compile time isn't so bad