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xanthyos: ;;rate thomas_d 1 known on tinychat for a while. seals with clubs player.
asciilifeform: !up thomas_d
ben_vulpes: ;;isup trilema.com
mircea_popescu: manamex: got worned by bitbethelp everyone on this channel gets dosed << lol we're speshul.
asciilifeform: i think that actually hangs in the hall where he works.
asciilifeform: well, they also tend to use their barbershops as homes. in the sense that many academics keep personal blog-type material on the same site.
mircea_popescu: so in short : people who make their living cutting beards are not likely to be seen cutting beards outside of the place where this pays.
asciilifeform: often, even now, as 'postscript' turds
asciilifeform: no, on their official university www, typically
asciilifeform: but among generic u.s. mathemasturbators, unaffiliated with nsa et al, it is quite common to post 'preprints' on www.
asciilifeform: cannot speak for the smaller tank
asciilifeform: i have personally only taken a swim in the larger tank, the former
asciilifeform: (similar in some interesting ways, but kept in separate tanks at the zoo)
asciilifeform: kept around, permitted to work on problems in his circle of interests among his own kind, but generally kept away from anything 'jewel'-like.
mircea_popescu: out of the 100k or so academics trudging for us-academia-wot, how many are likely to publish their research like i do, on trilema, just like that ?
mircea_popescu: ok, let me put this in a different light.
asciilifeform: about on par with a receipt for pizza at the office.
asciilifeform: 'confidential' is the lowest level of classification in usg.
asciilifeform: (an internal report marked 'confidential' should be regarded as a public document for the purpose of this statement.)
asciilifeform: at any rate, i can imagine only with great difficulty that a usg cryptologist of any actual stature (that is, creator of, or even privy to, a 'crown jewel') would be permitted to make public so much as a newspaper ad for a dog walker, much less a document pertaining to his profession.
asciilifeform: similar to how men who have sat in russian prison, have detectably characteristic patterns of speech
asciilifeform: as in, actual (former) friends who took up the cloak of the beast, and their patterns of speech actually changed.
asciilifeform: now that this came up, i will say that i have seen this alive
asciilifeform: vs. the chumpers
asciilifeform: it isn't even 'cold psychopath' or the like. it is the basic tone of voice of the 'mean gurlz' who are, between sentences, cackling at the 'goodies' their gurlz club is privy to
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mircea_popescu: it is functionally impossible to make a release that works for *any* evnetual readers.
xanthyos: ;;gettrust thomas_d
mircea_popescu: this is how the fucking problem with "releases" go.
asciilifeform: reading the ancient 'cryptolog', i can almost hear a tone of voice
asciilifeform: although, now that you mention it,
asciilifeform does not recall seeing this mug before
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Silvio_Micali_IMG_0459.jpg << this, incidentally, is whom "leadership" was captured...from.
mircea_popescu: "we have a this which works and a that which sort-of works and is more expensive"
mircea_popescu: the reason the remnant is so insistent on "real world" vs "trolls" perhaps follows a simple calculation
asciilifeform: how many of the 'tardstalk' folks have seen gavin alive
mircea_popescu: i think most.
asciilifeform: and how many of these chumps are chumped in a lecture hall, and not with paper?
asciilifeform: ergo i need to be chumped with paper
mircea_popescu: but we are discussing the nerdcore.
asciilifeform: if question specifically concerns 'animal magnetism' - difficult to answer. most of the chumpatronic work involved, i doubt would win from this stratagem. i, for instance, have never (to my knowledge) been within musket distance of a live cryptographer (of whatever variety)
mircea_popescu: but thats out of scope.
asciilifeform: i'd have picked him based on his 'street cred' from his service in the '90s crypto wars
mircea_popescu: gotta stick to the strat yo.
mircea_popescu: ~ on the basis of sheer animal magnetism ~
xanthyos: a person printing machine like from kafka's "in the penal colony"
mircea_popescu: uh. how'd that work ?
asciilifeform: not being one of the designated chumps in question, i'd ask for a subverted greybeard. but i am not a doctor of chumpatronics, and may be naive here.
mircea_popescu: a nerdcore is roughly what "academia" is : adding words to specified idiocy to make it palatable. it's not a buncha derps, because CORE.
mircea_popescu: well, the designated chumps, "the U.S. East Coast cryptanalytic community"
mircea_popescu: supposing you have a person printing machine, can make them up to spec.
asciilifeform: depends on the designated chumps, no?
mircea_popescu: would you hire a man or a woman for this task ?
mircea_popescu: here's a q for you asciilifeform : if i were the big bad and you were my officer in charge of fucking nerdcore up, and the strategy was, "inject a person whom on the basis of sheer animal magnetism can be used to steer things ways",
mircea_popescu: "Don Beaver (Penn State), in another era, would have been a spellbinding charismatic preacher; young, dashing (he still wears a pony-tail), self-confident and glib, he has captured from Silvio Micali the leadership of the philosophic wing of the U.S. East Coast cryptanalytic community."
mircea_popescu: then this and such questions tend to answer themselves.
mircea_popescu: well the general idea is to spend a while reading the logs
thomas_d: can't see anything in the topic
kakobrekla: so what do you do thomas?
thomas_d: are there any regulations/guidelines on the chatting here, or anything goes?
thomas_d: but I go by thomas dick
asciilifeform: chetty: i've found the letter in question: http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/12.63.html#subj1
Apocalyptic: <thomas_d> Do you usually need to wait a little while after exporting cert to server? // yes you do
thomas_d: I should introduce myself anyway my name is thomas dick I'm a noob
xanthyos: bagels7 had the same error i think
xanthyos: thomas_d: do it in PM so it doesn't congest the chat
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
thomas_d: ;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523
thomas_d: Do you usually need to wait a little while after exporting cert to server?
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
thomas_d: ;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523
chetty: Hellman caught them with their pants down didn't he?
asciilifeform: 'Desmedt referred to a letter written by Marty Hellman criticizing NIST. I had all but forgotten about Hellman; he has not been active on cryptologic scene in many years, and I've always had doubts about his moral principles (by contrast, I regard Rivest as being above all this dirt).'
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: hence, i'd take with 'grain of salt'
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: the paper in question is not only of 20 yrs. vintage, but officially released (not in any sense leaked)
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
thomas_d: ;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523
assbot: Shtetl-Optimized » Blog Archive » What does the NSA think of academic cryptographers? Recently-declassified document provides clues
xanthyos: !up thomas_d
mircea_popescu: ^ titles are not enough for me!
assbot: Actual Bitcoin corporations (ABCs) versus fiat-based frauds trying to masquerade as Bitcoin companies (while masquerading as companies in the first place) on the solid theory that the general public is too stupid to make any difference, this one included, and on the flimsy theory that the general public matters in Bitcoin (FBF-TTMABC-WMACITFP-OTSTTTGPITSTMAD-TOI-AOTFTTTGPMIBs, alphabets for short). pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Loper OS » Kalman Reti, the Last Symbolics Developer, Speaks of Lisp Machines.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the film linked in an old post of mine: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=932
asciilifeform: (who censored it, and why? i'd love to know)
asciilifeform: it is by no means a complete picture, but gives the general idea.
asciilifeform was going to link jurov to kalman reti's film about smbx machine, but noticed that it was recently censored.
asciilifeform: but even a gift of a solid gold toilet is no guarantee that the recipient of said gift won't prefer the kitchen sink.
jurov: um. i'm not convinced that ever worked
asciilifeform: once you remove the overwhelming incentive to do stupid things, you generally see less of them.
asciilifeform: jurov: it is always possible to crap in the kitchen. but folks who own a toilet, typically do not.
jurov: okay i did not mean lisp as such, but the architecture as a whole
asciilifeform: (for some odd reason, folks ignore the fact that 'symbolics' os happily ran fortran, pascal, ada, and yes, even c - code - on same box, and the proggys could share data structures)
jurov: so that no X11-like explosion of toolkits would occur
asciilifeform: it wasn't the lisp actually
jurov: that hangs on presumption that list somehow magically prevents parallel standards/reimplementations
asciilifeform: ^ rob pike's talk, for those who never read
asciilifeform: on account of there being precisely one routine, used by everything on the box, which is responsible for character rendering; another for the input handling; etc
asciilifeform: i cannot say for certain what these things would 'weigh' on such a machine, but can definitely bet that they would weigh considerably less (in terms of code complexity or sheer physical space) than on modern arch.
asciilifeform: well, if you are thinking of the ones you just stated, as opposed to everything listed in pike's talk,