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decimation: if you have ever used an 'android' system you encounter a similar
thing when using
their app 'permission' system. one ends up being a hostage
to
the app's demands for access
mircea_popescu: gvfs depedning on netbase is perhaps
the biggest example. who
the fuck ever heard of
this.
mircea_popescu: what
they should do would be
to remove like 90% of
the current dependencies.
mircea_popescu: more dependencies
than needed anyway. creatinbg even more fucking bloat is
the wrong way.
decimation: actually,
the bigger question about systemd dependencies is
this: what dependency of systemd is actually worth bothering about?
mircea_popescu: " All I can say is
that
there is stable LTE service between
Texas and Colorado
that work at speed in excess of eighty-eight miles per hour and
that one can do a lot with a macbook charger, a working alternator, a bit of cabling and entry-level electrical engineering knowledge."
mircea_popescu: it's roughly like a stolid square from
the 60s calling his woody a "party van".
mircea_popescu: he has exactly nothing
to do with "tea party",
this is beyond hot
topicizing
the issue.
mircea_popescu: no need for all
the shit it bundles
to be actually bundled.
mircea_popescu: basically, gut it, use
the remaining shell as a systemd-standardized interface for sane components.
mircea_popescu: one question left hanging in my head : once all
the effort
trying
to push systemd is spent, why not just make a clone
that's been shot in
the head. specifically,
that runs as an instance even if
the root doesn't have it, and
that masquerades as systemd
to satisfy fake dependencies.
punkman: I never got into
the might and magic series
mircea_popescu: i mean pretty much all good games are his. from king's bounty
to homm etc.
punkman: I gave money
to
Tim Schafer and all I got was half a game
mircea_popescu: hey, giving ron gilbert money is a lot more merituous
than whatever, giving buterin awards.
punkman: '"I pirated Maniac Mansion and Monkey Island when I was a kid and I feel bad!"
This reward
tier instantly absolves you of all guilt and includes
the
Thimbleweed Park game. All subsequent
tiers also include guilt absolution.'
decimation: well, you can clearly see
the strategy of 'embrace, extend, extinguish'
decimation: you mean kudzu
the linux package or
the invasive plant?
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah im not
that close
to it
to recall
the stuff, half
the
time im
trying
to guess, and i mean wtf -v
Belxjander: just wish
the channel names stayed in
the same order as set
thestringpuller: whenever I fuck up my economy in sim city I just raise
taxes and it all works out!
decimation: I wonder if one can 'disable'
the javascript hook
that causes
this
decimation: asciilifeform: a betrayal of
the first order,
this,
the computer serving someone other
than its master
decimation: I want
to play a game where I can stab Marat in
the back
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03
the one
thing
three eyar olds have in common across language and geography is
this
tendency
to bring you a piece of paper
they
took a shit on, for your admiration.
mircea_popescu: just like it's better
to run a car just slightly slower
than
the maximum speed at which you can control a car, just so it's better
to aspire
to less
than what one can actually do.
mircea_popescu: in any case, no amount of energy put into cutting short
the ego and curbing
the enthusiasm of
the general population is wasted.
decimation: it might be
the case
that
this kind of understanding can only be had
through a few cycles of systemds
mircea_popescu: sure, but
that's cleaved. personal experience is one
thing, personal understanding another.
decimation: they might even find a particular patch of jungle
that is more pleasing
than another
decimation: there are millions of pankkakes who have become comfortable with living in whatever jungle conditions
they find
themselves
mircea_popescu: now, go ahead and explain
this
to pankkake somehow. but in such a way so it fits his preconceptions comfortably.
mircea_popescu: the pernicious idea
that
they matter and can do
things. etc.
mircea_popescu: this is a very visible symptom of
the problem of well metastasized socialism : a general sense of entitlement in
the crowd of idiots. an unwarranted expectation of efficiency on
their part.
mircea_popescu: the supposed fbi/gru/gestapo/etc is simply a
toilet box for
the public idiocy.
decimation: yeah I
think I mentioned about how
the gestapo used
the same effect
to 'terrorize'
the population
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2014 02:49:05; decimation: so after watching Stierlitz, I surfed
the wikipedia describing
the NASDP government intelligence 4th department
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo "According
to Canadian historian Robert Gellately's analysis of
the local offices established,
the Gestapo was—for
the most part—made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by citizens for
their information.[78] Gellately
mircea_popescu: decimation r fbi agents.
they are essentially at
the bottom of a gigantic public suggestion box/toilet << check
this shit out!
mircea_popescu: problem is,
the derps in
the studio should have a) been repressed enough
that
they never dared
think of speaking in front of
the camera, let alone be allowed
to do it
decimation: the receiving fbi agent should have had
the same
to say
to poettering
decimation: so,
this girl should have been
told "You are not smart enough
to become a scholar, but you have
the material needed
to become an excellent wife - learn
to make non-lashable cooking, darn socks, and be feminine"
mircea_popescu: any cat may look at
the king. sure. no cat may file a suit against
the crown.
mircea_popescu: that he dares
to spin
this entire web where "he puts
the blame" on linus is nothing short of outrageous.
mircea_popescu: and
that
the groups he
tends
to attract and promote are nothing short of malicious.
mircea_popescu: it's
that poettering personally is a malignancy,
that what he says is poisonous, not just for
the free world but individually for people
that are intellectually mature,
decimation: that suddenly makes me sorry for fbi agents.
they are essentially at
the bottom of a gigantic public suggestion box/toilet
mircea_popescu: oh, no. it's because
the internet is bad. because when you get negative feedback, you gotta blame
the feedback.
mircea_popescu: it's not
that poettering gets pissed on wherever he goes because he in point of fact is a poitless, middlesome imbecile.
mircea_popescu: somehow
the quality of
the assholes in question never comes before
the debate.
mircea_popescu: "I also have no doubt
that Poettering has received such attacks. Unfortunately,
that comes with being a public figure on
today's Internet. I myself have gotten death
threats serious enough
that I've
turned
them over
to
the FBI"
decimation: yeah, it is
the exact opposite of
that german education circa 1880
that we discussed earlier
mircea_popescu: basically, her problem is
that
the people who can
think have decided lying
to her is okay.
decimation: her problem is
that she is a
tiny, aimless midget in a world where massive giants are wondering, and
they get 'roided daily with debt
mats_cd03: i was
tickled by
the chick flipping
through a picture book
decimation: asciilifeform:
the 'join or die' mentality?
decimation: I don't follow
the extraction economy comment
mircea_popescu: and it goes right into
the extraction economy discussion. you familiar with
that one ?
mircea_popescu: it's
that "first
they came for x but i said nothing"
thing, exactly. it's not in any sense a novel or a marginal idea.
decimation: at any rate, asciilifeform makes a good point,
the main ding against systemd is
that its main author has written several well-known
turds,
thus
the fruit of
the
tree
decimation: this idea could also explain why debt-funding (usg bank style) is ruinous compared
to capital-funding in
the long run
mircea_popescu: without him, romania spent half a century in
the warsaw shitter. with him, it'd have probably been greece instead.
mircea_popescu: the best case study for
this in my view is romania in
the 30s. idiot, indolent romanians allowed
the worst among
them (iron guard, dubious local fascist wannabe)
to assassinate
the best romanian
that
then lived, one duca.
mircea_popescu: specifically, some midgets betray some other midgets, which
they need
to survive.
mircea_popescu: they are really narrowed. what happens
there is
treason.
treason never works politically.
decimation: now
the question is, are
the economic possibilities of
the midgets really narrowed, or do
they just perceive
that
they are?
mircea_popescu: how about "my uptime is longer
than poettering's coding experience". what bootup "?
mircea_popescu: so, yes, "faster boot
times". a more irrelevant metric could scarcely be devised.
mircea_popescu: compare ms-dos, still
to
this day accepted here as a paragon of programming,