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decimation: Vexual: the above pdf I linked was a usenix, which was kind of a more civilized defcon
BingoBoingo: Prolly going to be some sweet videos on WOrld Star Hiphop tomorrow
Vexual: I guess if P25 is breakable theres a reason it hasn't popped up at defon or some such
decimation: that's not going to end well
BingoBoingo: Shots fired at the police department
decimation: in the us, the usg takes that kind of thing very seriously
BingoBoingo: Oh two separate calls for tactical team backup nao
asciilifeform: which - i suspect - can be proven to exist in the general case.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we are the folk with acres of crays. like no others.
asciilifeform: the actual 'pill' consists of knowing the class of weak keys.
mircea_popescu: and on the attacker not using side channels
mircea_popescu: and they rely on good entropy
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, these are maximal.
asciilifeform: but it gives the overall flavour of approaches used by the folks with 'acres of crays', yes.
mircea_popescu: 2*39 time to recover the complete 256-bit key of a 9-round version http://eprint.iacr.org/2009/374
asciilifeform: generally papers where you clobber something that has one (or both) hands tied behind its back - are not very exciting.
decimation: I'm not too worried
mircea_popescu: decimation afaik the pill has been around 4ever ?
BingoBoingo: Sending Tac in
asciilifeform: would be interesting to take one of these radios and look for correlation between, say, amplitude - or carrier freq drift - and input audio
decimation: asciilifeform: that would be pretty elementry
asciilifeform: gotta understand, if above hypothesis is correct, they can use one time pad - and still be transparently readable.
Vexual: i think the change they keys up too
assbot: Tweets about #FergusonLootCrew hashtag on Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1pha878 )
cazalla: <BingoBoingo> https://twitter.com/hashtag/FergusonLootCrew?src=hash <<< this is to troll alex jones, again
decimation: receive any traffic sent in the clear even when they are
mircea_popescu: isn't that the 14 round braindead aes ?
asciilifeform: betcha there are speech-modulated analogue artifacts in the transmissions.
mircea_popescu: should come to bitcents per message.
asciilifeform: decimation: that was the 'thy use null keys' result
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, I believe the 'metadata' is contained in the unencrypted header
asciilifeform: note that portable radios have no countermeasure against the elementary traffic analysis needed to find message boundaries
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are afaik
asciilifeform: a 'wasp' could sow some very thick confusion via replay, even if he cannot decode.
asciilifeform: never gave enough of a shit to comb through the published specs to answer this riddle
asciilifeform: i've always wondered if police radio schemes like p25 are vulnerable to replay attacks.
assbot: Tweets about #FergusonLootCrew hashtag on Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph9feQ )
assbot: WWV’s 25 MHz Signal Back on the Air ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph93fJ )
BingoBoingo: Looting the Boost Mobile of all places?
decimation: it's pointless to want to listen to the encrypted channels anyway, because my experience was that before the cops had crypto they would just use a cell phone
decimation: at any rate, it's easy enought to waste some time listening yourself
asciilifeform: e.g., national time stations
asciilifeform: some things never move
decimation: asciilifeform: that one is pretty accurate at least as of a few years ago
asciilifeform: decimation: typically they are the product of someone typing up an ancient, yellowed 'radio amateurs guide'
asciilifeform: decimation: i've found that documents like this are absurdly out of date, in all cases.
assbot: Chief tells the TRUTH that Black People dont want to hear. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1znlh6w )
undata: I'm sure you'll just decide they're "white niggers" and enjoy it
undata: decimation: I'm certain you'll get to see the cop tanks and other fun toys oppressing whites before long
asciilifeform did not know this
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everyone around here calls police the 5-0
decimation: it turns out that every juristidiction uses thier own codes
undata: just like you and your tour
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 5-0 is code for the po-po
undata: in cases like this they're just after their own masturbatory power
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whither the 5- codes?
undata: decimation: the point I was after is that cops should be obedient slaves to whatever commands them
undata: asciilifeform: hell, you can go have a picnic and watch depending on the era
asciilifeform: yes! even in the midst of civil war - one can still beat off.
mircea_popescu: decimation there is/(was?) one in south africa.
decimation: right, but I'm talking about a public tour that leaves from union station every hour
asciilifeform was taken on just such a tour once! private.
decimation: I've always wondered why there's no 'tour the ghetto' bus in wash dc or baltimore
BingoBoingo: Maybe its recreational mircea_popescu "disaster tourism"
mircea_popescu: apparently professionalism isn't what it used to be
undata: the thing I hate is the bullshit
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's what I thought.
undata: this "but they shoot each other" thing misses the point entirely
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why the heck is she involved, wasn't she doing finance ?
decimation: in the us
assbot: No indictment of Darren Wilson in the shooting of Michael Brown. Heading to /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash tomorrow. See you soon.
decimation: undata: the poor blacks that are constantly murdered by the police
decimation: feds have been encrypted for a much longer time
undata: decimation: what are you talking about?
decimation: and the poor innocents that undata lauds suddenly listened with intense interest
decimation: then the 'iphone-streaming remote scanner apps' became popular
decimation: scanner listening used to only be a hobby for a few harmless weirdos
assbot: Arkansas men file lawsuit over police encryption - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1znjqPd )
bagels7: oman is weird, they have transsexual women but being gay is illegal. must be a rich country
decimation: typically trunked with a motorola control channel
decimation: the vast majority of police radio systems in the us use 'apco-25'
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: They didn't specify an area code, would be necessary. StL metro isn't that small
decimation: sometimes the morse is a network or channel number
decimation: asciilifeform: 2.4 ghz and 915 mhz bands alllow 1 watt out of amplifier if the waveform is spread spectrum
decimation: mircea_popescu: I've been trying to model a long distance version
decimation: most of the entries in this database are woefully inaccurate
asciilifeform: ianal - but iirc, only wattage is regulated in the 'license-free' bands
decimation: for instance, to find something in your backyard: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/results.jsp
decimation: after all, there's only one real sovereign
decimation: each one of those transmitters is given a special pass from stalin, and he requires continual reminders
decimation: the reason: the FCC requires station identification
decimation: asciilifeform: morse is commonly used in the us by those ignorant of it
asciilifeform: lol it's like they broadcast a 'gentlemen, start your engines, riot now'.
assbot: Natural law, and the problem of definitions. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1znhcPP )
BingoBoingo wants to know what happened to maroon grand prix chrome wheels
asciilifeform: wtf is the morse doing in there
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: i like how they have yet to announce the indictment. has it leaked yet?
BingoBoingo: And the radio feed is silent
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cazalla: i can see borat at bottom left of mid in that image