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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform:
the undoing of C.. due
to its memory unsafety
they must decide
to either bloat
the kernel or suffer
the overhead << entirely spurious argument advanced << no but address
the actual point rather
than
the idiots putting it forth.
adlai: cross
the
two and you get an unteachable idiot
mircea_popescu: "Dick Valis. Dick is an altcoin enthusiast and student of philosophy. He enjoys writing about cryptocurrencies and spending his
time exploring reality and searching for
truth."
mircea_popescu: "Does it have money or financial mental associations, or even slight links, for example, Luckycoin is for luck,
that is necessary
to become rich, Mooncoin means Moon, and
the Moon drives ocean waters and financial flows (as assumed in financial astrology) plus ‘to
the moon’ means also price growing process… And MEOW, or BBQ coins have no
these associations at all)."
mircea_popescu: some esl kid on
the fringe of culture nevertheless believes
that "as a Category", X "shouldn't be fun".
mircea_popescu: so bizarre
this. deconstructing it, pretty much
the only
takeaway is whoa, check out
the puritans!
mircea_popescu: "So let’s
try
to build a rating of
the cryptocurrency names of real coins, based on various criteria: Brightness. Seriousness of name (as a currency,
the name shouldn’t be fun). Whether
the name is conceptual (makes sense, dedicated
to ideas), or not."
adlai: I guess
tacking an X on
the end is an insignificant improvement?
mircea_popescu: "Name Most Important. But it was quite unexpected
that
the name of
the coin does play
the most important role over
the long
term, since it’s
the only one
thing from
the five features, mentioned above,
that cannot be changed, or significantly improved."
adlai: it seems
that
the general cycle is
that
these people hear about bitcoin, learn a
tiny bit about it, and park it in
the back of
their mind for a few years
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla:
the general discussion here also changed a lot over last years << i'd loive
to hear your
take on
that ?
adlai has met a few intelligent people who have heard about bitcoin but are
taking
their
time learning about it
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: i feel
this encourages an echo chamber as it continues <<
this is prolly
true. on
the other hand, most of
the intelligent people
that were ever going
to hear about bitcoin have by now.
adlai: for example: you've got
the data, we've got
the scientists
adlai: they don't have
to cost money if you can dress it up as a service you sell
the ISP
adlai: they need
to learn from nielsen
adlai: what ever happened
to backroom deals with ISPs
kakobrekla: so qntra is actually doing worse idiotwise
than
that other
thing
mircea_popescu: "And indeed,
the output of
the CPRNG is very biased.
The output of each step of
the CPRNG is a number from 0
to 25; you would expect successive outputs
to be
the same around one
time in 26, but my experiments show
that
the frequency is closer
to 1/22.5." <<< shcneier made a cypher. heh.
adlai: that awkward moment when you say bye,
then realize
that your friend is also going
to pokemon
mircea_popescu: "tandacoin:we get 4k pageviews a day how muh do you get?" ahahah
this was so great.
mircea_popescu: no but imagine, perez hilton comes here
to get my
take on shoes
mircea_popescu: im saving
this one in a special compartment, it's
too good.
mircea_popescu: cazalla:
tandacoin, stick around, i need
to finish current article and
then head off
to a pokemon meetup << bwahahaha
adlai imagines
that
the author is french and forgot
the
t adlai: nubbins`: "you can't not communicate".
that would say
that either
the owner of
that domain is a liar, and said at
that
time
that he hates newfies, or
that bot has become unreliable.
mike_c: this is perhaps a good idea. i gotta run for a bit. but I
think you're right.
gribble: tandacoin was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 hours, 20 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <tandacoin> you guys have no idea how
to do business or journalism, im not going
to waste my
time with u
mircea_popescu: tandacoin: i have read logs of bitcoin assets but i'm not sure how
to get word of
trust << o.O
the cuteliest!
mike_c: maybe i could fix
that.
adlai: that's working in
tandem with an archive, with crowdsourced archives :)
mircea_popescu: mike_c lemme value proposition you : if you're going
to work now and again, it may work much better
to be a qntra star analyst and get shares for
that work,
than sorta be stuck with a solo blog.
punkman: you also get
the contents
the bot fetched so you can download for safekeeping
mike_c: you looking for somebody
to analyze btc businesses?
that's a
tough
task with
the limited information
they usually provide.
adlai: it says, "the document fetched from <url> contained a section, located at <path>, hashing
to <hash>"
adlai: so
the bot doesn't say, "the entire document fetched from <url> hashed
to <hash>"
nubbins`: and
then make a note of it for future reference
adlai: which is why you give
the bot a URL and an xpath (or regex, or whatever you like for specifying a part of
the document)
nubbins`: to verify with our own eyes
that
that's what
the site said
nubbins`: so we actually have
to visit
the site at
the
time
the bot archives it
nubbins`: but
there's no way
to verify it because we'll never get
the same hash
nubbins`: so we
trust
that
the bot fetches
text from a website and doesn't alter it and hashes it and sends dust
to
the address
adlai: punkman: either nubbins` or I are kinda missing
the point, can you explain it again pls?
mircea_popescu: btw, it occurs
to me,
the one
thing qntra would really need would be a resident business/finance analyst.
nubbins`: or are we
taking
the bot on blind faith now?
adlai: the whole point is
that you
trust
that
the bot only does
that for
text
that it fetches from URLs
nubbins`: no, it's proof
that
the bot hashed a string of
text and sent dust
to
the address
adlai: back in basic
training
this one drill sergeant said some words
that have echoed with me
to
this day... "If you ever start
thinking something, just stop."
adlai: nubbins`:
the bot's signature on a file isn't proof-of-existence, it's proof-of-that-server-said-this-to-me-at-that-time
adlai: no,
that's "I created some file, and
the bot isn't agreeing with it"
nubbins`: "hey man
the bot didn't pick up my file"
nubbins`: i can also hash a html document by hand and send dust
to it
adlai: don't kick
the baby
mircea_popescu: actually... sure you can, but let's not get into
the entire mitm
http story.
adlai: nubbins`:
think what
through? you can change whatever you want in your own browser, but you can't change
the communication between bot and server without compromising somethnig
adlai: that wouldn't work unless I could change
the document
that punkman's bot fetched
nubbins`: it proves
they ran
the article
nubbins`: let
the user open element inspector, change
the headline on aljazeera.com
to say "adlai sniffs farts", hash
that and send it off
mircea_popescu: you basically have
to ask someone
to go
there confirm your screenshot is correct.
mircea_popescu: pretty much
the only way
to do
this is with sworn
testimony.
adlai: then your hash confirms
that
this site contained a certain
text
nubbins`: let
the user copy and paste it
adlai: let
the user (who requests hashing site content) specify somehow
the part of
the site
they want hashed
nubbins`: you and i pull down a website right now using
the same browser on
the same hardware, we're getting different content
nubbins`: you're going
to hash a session id?
mircea_popescu: there's a reason
the wayback machine is run as charity.
mircea_popescu: there are incredibly many problems with
this. kinda why html is so hated
adlai: this could work better in
tandem with something(s)
that archives
the page itself
nubbins`: how about pages
that generate different html based on browser capabilities?
punkman: the service would notarize
the fact
that on X date,
the contents were something
that hashes
to Y hash
adlai: if
the data you hash includes a
timestamp
mircea_popescu: yeah, it'll be rare
that it verifies so impossible
to put
to practical use.
punkman: mircea_popescu: why's
that a problem?
mircea_popescu: it'd be a great
thing, page verification, but so many
things can fuck it up. like, any page
that includes
the current
time. a
theme upgrade.
punkman: while we're on
the
topic, I want
to make a service
that fetches a URL, hashes contents, and
then bundles and notarizes
those.
thoughts?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so either
they're dumb or you've not
told 'em and
they're dumb.