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decimation: I find the trackpad annoying too, not sure why people prefer
gernika: both the keyboards and the "magic" trackpad
gernika: What aggravates me more and more recently is the claim that mac products are well designed, when in fact they will destroy your hands.
asciilifeform: and that's not even considering the castrated space bar (to fit the worthless winblows keys)
asciilifeform: i find them a misery.
decimation: I've used both and I didn't think that the 'natural keyboards' were all that more comfortable
gernika: asciilifeform: I find it interesting that you prefer the buckling springs over something like the Microsoft Natural Keyboard that doesn't require you flex your wrists sideways. That said, using the MS keyboard ultimately has not prevented me from having issues. I must try a springy keyboard.
kakobrekla: kakobrekla wtb this
asciilifeform: kakobrekla has this ?
kakobrekla: they do not seem identical but i think they are same, the keyboards
decimation: ah that's a real 3270 term
kakobrekla: for the IBM-3279?
decimation: yeah, too old for pcjr
decimation: is that from a pcjr?
asciilifeform: for what was this one? s/360?
asciilifeform: lol, that sorta worked.
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe they can keep a detached dog's head alive too!!!
decimation: lol I like the .link
kakobrekla: ah, the layout looks like f then
decimation: yeah but the layout was ok
asciilifeform: decimation: sun's type 5. shit keys.
asciilifeform: neh, model f was the pc xt keyboard iirtc
decimation: asciilifeform: I think sun made a keyboard with function keys on the left, but no buckling springs
asciilifeform: i have one. it is presently gathering dust. no time to do what must be done to it
asciilifeform: (speaking here of the giant 'model m')
asciilifeform: PeterL: that keyboard was intended for 'glass tty' terminals and cannot be used with a modern pc compat. machine without some custom electronics
decimation: 'zulu' was a great movie though
PeterL: I can't quite see, what's in the middle of the arrow keys?
asciilifeform: gernika: i expressed a wish that i had grown up with it, rather than qwerty keyboards.
asciilifeform: gernika: no, i did not actually use it in anger. for some reason i thought this was clear from the article.
gernika: asciilifeform: ah I thought you'd figured out how to hook it up to whatever development machine you use
asciilifeform: PeterL: nah that's fixable
asciilifeform: gernika: i'll happily part with mine if someone wanted to buy it.
asciilifeform: gernika: there's an rs232 jack but, iirc, it only pisses out a buffered text.
asciilifeform: gernika: 'microwriter' is not so great today. no easy means of getting it to throw output to a computer in real time.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I like those extra function keys
asciilifeform: decimation: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Omnikey102p3248.jpg << that one
decimation: asciilifeform: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Northgate_OmniKey_101 this?
asciilifeform: ibm made a buckling-spring keyboard which also had this, but it suffered from other deformities.
asciilifeform: not quite as pleasurable as ibm's buckling springs. but the 'northgate' does have the function keys in their properly ordained position.
decimation: asciilifeform: basically the same action as your model-m buckling springs?
asciilifeform: just like wearing clothing, or shitting in a toilet rather than in pants, are also 'mere' habits
PeterL: there are various forms of spring to pick from
asciilifeform: and at this point i don't even care if i'm simply habituated to springs or if there is something 'intrinsic and natural' about spring clicks. i refuse to do without them.
asciilifeform: i seriously doubt that you can get spring feedback from anything other than an actual spring.
decimation: basically a robotic hand that gently attaches to your own?
gernika: asciilifeform: why are tactile spring switches more ergonomic? Do they prevent you from pressing with too much strength?
asciilifeform: and the notion of moving fingers without any feedback springs is lunacy
asciilifeform: decimation: yes. the original 'microwriter.'
asciilifeform: and adjustable tension switches
gernika: asciilifeform: not like the old ibm keyboards that sort of ring when you click them no.
gernika: asciilifeform: also yes it's not hand shaped, but also does n't require you to twist your hand and splay your fingers
asciilifeform: or do they 'click' like mouse.
asciilifeform: can you hear then across a room?
gernika: asciilifeform: the buttons definitely click when you press them, but that is not what you're talking about?
decimation: there was a gentleman who bicycled across the country with a modded 1990's era computer bike - and he had a chorded keyboard
asciilifeform: not hand shaped, no tactile spring switches - do not want.
gernika: asciilifeform: I recently read Englebard's Violin and managed to get ahold of a Twiddler. Have you used it?
decimation: yeah the anti-nuke stuff is lulzy too
asciilifeform: reminds me of... 'The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.' (Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation)
decimation: asciilifeform: but even if you believe man is created by God (as I do) you would still have to believe that God failed to anticipate what man would do to nature, and/or man could somehow outsmart Him
asciilifeform: but that 'removes moral dimension!'
asciilifeform: imbecile isn't even arguing that 'it could wreck existing xyz'
asciilifeform: 'That’s because wiping out the passenger pigeon, the heath hen, the Tasmanian tiger, and so on, as regrettable as these events were, wasn’t the real mistake. It was only the indicator of a deeper moral and cultural malady.'
asciilifeform: ^ idiot luddite hates (so far, theoretical) 'de-extinction' tech because...
BingoBoingo: Or Mike Tyson
BingoBoingo: Dunno selling it to the Winkelvii would be pretty troll.
decimation: or better yet, send it to 1600 pennsylvania avenue
decimation: that's awesome. I agree, should toss into volcano
asciilifeform: if gonna troll, do it right.
asciilifeform: watson should publicly sink it into the mariana trench, or some other 'black hole'
decimation: Saltzer wrote multics, which is the ancestor of unix, more or less
decimation: asciilifeform: it captures some of the 'spirit' of stripping down bitcoind
BingoBoingo: ALso look at slate bullying the nerd http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/12/james_watson_selling_nobel_prize_dna_structure_discoverer_s_history_of_racism.html
mike_c: <+BingoBoingo> I've been reddit killed. << just being in this channel seems to get a person banned from half the internet
asciilifeform: for instance, where i live, paying with paper money at a filling station requires a human clerk to turn a crank
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i know this, it's a unix system!
asciilifeform: decimation: except that not everything is even equipped to take cash.
decimation: except - I recall when a massive snowstorm moved up the east coast and wiped out all the telco lines - suddenly everywhere was 'cash only'
asciilifeform: (my town recently installed cc readers even there.)
decimation: yeah it's almost impossible to use 'cash' in the us these days
kakobrekla: cazalla not a single one, but i get asked to join various regularly.
asciilifeform: able that they watched everybody all the time. but at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You have to live - did live, from habit that became instinct - in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.'
asciilifeform: 'Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it; moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plate commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceiv
decimation: but even *that* has been stolen too
decimation: like, at least the panopticon can be a good secretary?
asciilifeform: precisely that
decimation: asciilifeform: I don't even want to see what he sees of all people, just of me
asciilifeform: seeing exactly what the enemy sees (and doesn't see) is almost half as good as not being watched
mike_c: this is just marketing though. or at least, that's the primary use case.
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:35:56; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" << usg (and the 'enlightenment') in one sentence.
asciilifeform: kgb didn't let you grab your own real time bug feeds either.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: lol :) i use cash for the spackle.
mike_c: sorry, your shopping habits are their information, not yours.
BingoBoingo: Still, do you really want some insurer or landlord knowing how much spackle you had to buy to patch the walls after the bacanals
decimation: like, you know, so you can share in the bounty of their information?
decimation: but as far as I know, there is no service the lets you download your own itemized receipts
mike_c: yes. i hate that too.
decimation: mike_c: you know the thing that pisses me off the most? every retail store/credit card company conspires to record every bit of information about you that they can
BingoBoingo: Wait, people actually go to Home Depot to buy stuff they'd want a record of buying?