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ben_vulpes: deploy pattern is "get code, load deps file into docker,rebuild image with that, if build fails bail, run image, smoke test new container, if new container fails bail, then shut down old container and shoop new container into its place"
ben_vulpes: build pattern is: "install docker. then, deploy apptuation."
ben_vulpes: mats_cd03: the sj deploy hairball is entirely bash with a squirt of python to marshal aws resources
mats_cd03: i forgot to mention i have no idea what i'm doing with web things
thestringpuller: mats_cd03: i threw up a little
ben_vulpes: mongo ha oh boy the machine in question's what - 3 years old?
mats_cd03: i'm still trying to work out if i can do it all through shell script supervisors, but that probably won't happen
mats_cd03: annoying piece of machinery, this
ben_vulpes: mats_cd03: WELCOME TO CLUB
ben_vulpes: +asciilifeform:and the notion of moving fingers without any feedback springs is lunacy << hardly. feedback via optic nerve is entirely reasonable.
ben_vulpes: cazalla: "Coinsetter is now promoting participation in the bitcoin market to professional market makers by offering maker-taker pricing and a new equity incentive program beginning today. The 'Market Making Equity Incentive Program' will set aside 10% of the company's equity for distribution to institutionally-capitalized designated market makers (DMMs) who provide at least $300k of liquidity to
ben_vulpes: +asciilifeform:every penny i spend is recorded. even at parking meters. << you've got this weird habit of just doing what they tell you. i don't get it, especially given your proclivities and tendencies. it's almost as though you're...an ironic mole!
ben_vulpes: +decimation:few actual important details have been released, like "where they are gonna buy bitcoin" and "how they gonna index btc price" << the later is actually public knowledge
ben_vulpes: +asciilifeform:http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << only displays one << jurov, paging jurov to the turdatron
ben_vulpes: +asciilifeform:kakobrekla: i take it turdatron functions to spec now? << what spec
kakobrekla: but havent found the use for it in a long tiem
kakobrekla: and yes i prefer it on the right of the mouse!
assbot: Realforce 87U Tenkeyless 55g (Black) - elitekeyboards.com - Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1rRMeeu )
kakobrekla: a there it is
asciilifeform: i bought a small crate, some years ago, to play with.
asciilifeform: (magnet can be suspended above a buckling spring, or rubber doohickey, or whatever - but this is purely for the user's pleasure and plays no electrical role)
asciilifeform: these are found in 'explosion-proof' machinery - e.g., to be used in mines, gas pipelines
kakobrekla: i forgot why exactly, prolly no tenkeyless model
asciilifeform: a true '$maxint' keyboard would use hall effect sensors for the actuation, rather than rubber dome and carbon (topre, model m, mebranes) or contacting electrodes (leaf springs - alps, cherry)
mats_cd03 goes back to wrangling dockerfiles
kakobrekla: i was looking at topre board a year ago but opted out in the end
mats_cd03: how about that
asciilifeform: as i understand, these are quite rare outside of jp.
mats_cd03: o ya? did spam too?
kakobrekla: !s topre
asciilifeform: any 'keyboard folks' still awake - there are yet other famous switches, that i have not used.
mats_cd03: Chaang-Noi:not talking about anyone anyone said in this chan, just spammers who pm me about random shit << oh the irony
kakobrekla: now its just something that looks like english
asciilifeform: it was, at one point, i think, about bitcoin.
kakobrekla: try that badon
kakobrekla: !s this chan about
asciilifeform: 'alps' made, imho, the only passable ones
asciilifeform: i'm not especially fond of them
badon: I'd still like to know what this channel is about :)
kakobrekla: ah that, nobody knows at this point.
badon: I couldn't find a simple explanation in the channel topic, nor on the website.
badon: I wasn't aware of the existence of this channel, and I was going to ask what it's about.
badon: kakobrekla: The discussion in #freenode about a DDoS bot here.
asciilifeform: leaf spring switches ('alps', 'cherry', others) are not normally considered repairable - on account of there being no ready supply (afaik) of replacement springs.
badon: I'll have to get one wireless.
asciilifeform: (in the latter, the spring has been known to deform. can obtain replacement spring easily.)
badon: I think I have 4 or 5 Typematrix keyboards, give or take.
asciilifeform: badon: leaf spring switches wear out considerably faster than buckling springs
badon: asciilifeform: Ah, so the mechanical ones aren't indestructible.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: transplanted switches don't have to come from 'northgates' per se.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform what the estimated lifetime supply of northgates
badon: Still, the idea of a keyboard with ridiculously fast mechanical switches appeals to me.
badon: asciilifeform: Yes, they do.
badon: Typematrix is a small company with only 1 engineer (one of the owners), so it's easy to have your voice heard if you've got a good idea for them.
asciilifeform: badon: presumably they have happy customers already.
asciilifeform: (not so much 'model m' - i used them also, but they do not, for any practical purpose, wear out. so don't need many.)
asciilifeform: i tend to buy 'northgates' in reasonable condition whenever and wherever they pop up
badon: asciilifeform: Typematrix is planning to produce new models. If you contact them, you will have an opportunity to influence their design decisions.
asciilifeform: (leaf springs develop a 'stutter' as they age)
kakobrekla: well if you cant amortize a kboard over a decade... you are typing too slow.
asciilifeform: for these, it helps to have a sacrificial keyboard in your cellar, to desolder switches from when the inevitable comes
asciilifeform: i've yet to render a single 'model m' even partially inoperable.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Don't worry, soon we will be in the 70's
kakobrekla: we are still in the 80's
badon: I've used them in the past, of course, but that was in the 1980's.
badon: The membrane is nearly as tactile, but much quieter.
badon: Mechanical switches wear out too. I'm not sure they have any advantage over the membrane.
badon: I've really enjoyed mine, and it's easy to change out the membrane if I wear one out or accidentally screw it up.
badon: What's the alternative?
asciilifeform won't use membrane keyboard unless trapped (laptop in the field, etc)
badon: It's stiffer though.
badon: It feels a lot like teflon.
badon: kakobrekla: It's pretty good. I think the scissors are teflon or something else extremely low friction.
badon: Typematrix keyboards are able to do both. You switch skins to change the labeling.
kakobrekla: Switch: membrane technology with "double-scissors" mechanism
badon: I can type on either Dvorak or QWERTY, but Dvorak is faster with fewer errors.
badon: In practice, I just stick with Dvorak though.
badon: Plus, the skins make the Typematrix the ultimate keyboard. My keyboard life has greatly increased now that no debris gets in them. Plus, I can switch layouts easily.
badon: Kinesis and Maltron were both really very good, but the Typematrix was a little better, and it was a LOT cheaper and more portable.
badon: I spent a ton of money on them, to test them all.
badon: asciilifeform: Yeah, I tried one of those too. I liked the Typematrix better.
badon: I buy used ones for spare parts, and keep them going. They're that awesome.
badon: It's pretty durable, but I wouldn't trust it for 30+ years like the IBM model M. Of course, I take mine with me mobile, and that's extra-hard on keyboards. I think I'm averaging about 4 or 5 years before I break one of mine.
badon: I have used several Typematrix keyboards during the last decade. I tried all the best and most expensive ergonomic keyboards, but the Typematrix was the cheapest "serious" keyboard I tested, and it was also the best. It was also the most easily portable one too. I wrote an article yesterday about them, and a few ways to get discounts and free stuff if you buy things in the right sequence: https://www.livebusinesschat.com/smf/index.php?t
kakobrekla: cool, doesnt hurt to ask :)
mike_c: i've got a friend who collects old crap like that, i'll ping him. he might know the right people to ask.
mike_c: kakobrekla: you wtb the keyboard or the whole terminal?
kakobrekla: if someone wants to drool http://webwit.nl/input/
decimation: gernika: the early 90's model m's were made by lexmark, somewhat shoddier
asciilifeform: gernika: that's a standard model m from the photo, yes
decimation: asciilifeform: don't you trust usb security?
decimation: yeah, whatever chinese intern wrote the keyboard driver firmware was an idiot
decimation: I have to plug/replug usb to 'fix'
decimation: heh. mine has an issue where the function key 'negates' suddenly
asciilifeform: knockoff is a turd.
asciilifeform: decimation: funny that you mention this, a colleague of mine is throwing his out just now.
decimation: I use the model-m knockoff for my mac: http://pckeyboard.com/page/category/SpacesaverM
asciilifeform: but i have yet to find a keyboard made post-1995 or so that was worth having
asciilifeform: PeterL: i might do so, if any keyboard having it were worth using in the first place
PeterL: I'm suprised you don't reprogram the winblows key to be an extra control to give yourself another batch of functions at your fingertips?