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jurov: ben_vulpes mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation (but the dns didn't propagate yet)
nubbins`: giving him 24h to pony up
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol looks beautiful
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "<davout> yes, continuous trading seems so much simpler, not sure if there's a blocker i'm missing tho << it's nonsense, what exactly is a future that has no future date ?" <<< didn't say there shouldn't be a maturity date, i said trading should be continuous
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BingoBoingo: bed time
BingoBoingo: ^If notary were here would be entered into the record.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You'll live long enough for that.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What are the rought loper-os dreams after Chicom memresistors?
BingoBoingo: Lizard hitler has nothing on hawk hitler... dunno I want to disclose how I ended in that scenario...
BingoBoingo had a dream... Where the avaians crashed a ship while trying to depose the reptilians and I managed to kit out a fishing boat with their sweet alien gear...
mircea_popescu: but it won't be this magical laser thing
mircea_popescu: i mean it's not a bad way to waste money, who knows what the reaearching kids come up with
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2014 00:14:28; asciilifeform: imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance.
asciilifeform: see also thread:
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point is not that it is physically impossible to shoot a falling cone. but that it is a thermodynamic race that the rocket man - wins. and the death ray man - loses.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One was already made, torrent "Birth of a Nation" Next step has yet to be made.
asciilifeform: no shortage of towns.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all of them.
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, this seems like a more likely attack method honestly
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Which lonely place was that video about?
asciilifeform: decimation: notice - intended to shoot opponent's rocket during launch.
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, the implication is that you plot its trajectory and wait for it there
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asciilifeform: decimation: the traditionally beloved pill is particle weapons
decimation: also, the implication is that you either have an anti-missile that travels much faster (therefore less mass on target)
asciilifeform: mr bush's bezzlemeisters were unable to reliably pop even one - and fitted with beacon at that.
BingoBoingo always imagined a perfect "nuclear power" untouchable datacenter would target DC, Beijing, Moscow, and Mecca for its dead hand protocol
mircea_popescu: at some point, the rocket, low on fuel, turns back towards the earth. at that point it's damned slow.
mircea_popescu: decimation terminal velocity is not the point.
mircea_popescu: so your "i'll trust them when they use one" is kinda an unfairly distant bridge.
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decimation: http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/missiles-wmds/what-terminal-velocity-icbm-11609/ << "This 1963 RAND study suggests typically between 7.5 and 9.5 km/s depending on atmospheric entry angle and certain individual boost phase parameters."
mircea_popescu: anyway, long story short, i dun think anyone's doing anything with any rockets. bulava or otherwise.
asciilifeform: potential of absorbing infinite money, the real military win.
decimation: err, not terribly common
decimation: right, and death rays are also terribly common
asciilifeform: can fire death rays at falling cones but this is what the decoy barrels are for.
asciilifeform: see also the american 'domino's pizza' bunker door ad.
decimation: yeah as far as I know, except for extremely expensive bezzlar rockets usg owns, there is very little that can be done to intercept ballistic missile once it is past its initial acceleration phase
asciilifeform: classical approach also has the rocket traverse from wherever to washington in 30 min.
mircea_popescu: afaik the classical approach mostly intercepts them at perihelion
asciilifeform: but put the rifleman there first.
mircea_popescu: half the planes in active duty can shoot one down ?
asciilifeform: what's the slow part?
mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, if they wait for it they'll get crushed.
mircea_popescu: it's roughly like firing a tank in slow motion at someone.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that the bulava pose any sort of threat to anyone these days tho.
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asciilifeform: ^ they are conducting a whole series of made-for-youtube 'yeah they still work motherfuckers' tests.
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decimation: maybe he was one of the famous 'bums of san francisco' who mistook the escalator for a toilet http://heavy.com/news/2012/07/transit-escalators-clogged-with-insane-amounts-of-human-turd/
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on other side of the bering straits, http://i.imgur.com/H4V6RJs.gif
BingoBoingo: !up toffoo
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decimation: they still generally expect to repair own heavy equipment
mircea_popescu: decimation the best way for you to access that spirit is, read up on koschei.
mircea_popescu: decimation this is a very specific thing, tho. rural russian kid cca 1920.
mircea_popescu: "soviets are a fairytale come true"
decimation: actually the few farm folks I knew generally loved the farm, hated the city
mircea_popescu: it worked because it echoed what the idiots in question were thinking anyway.
mircea_popescu: the propaganda said this specifically, but it worked not because it said it
asciilifeform: but aha, death in the great belomor canal, or in trenches, is exciting. wish i had some right now.
mircea_popescu: genuinely loved it. the fucking adventure of it all, fuck dude, think of it, he's like a hero of legend.
mircea_popescu: the remainder... they're a statistic.
asciilifeform: or thought he would love.
mircea_popescu: that the sheer entertainment value of it al is what motivated 99% of the movement.
mircea_popescu: the other construction is that peasant 20 yo kid FUCKING LOVED getting to travel, getting to work on a construction yard and whistle at anon girls in skirts passing by
asciilifeform: decimation: replaced oxen to subjugate farmer. just like lenin did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take the earlier point re "stalin made an experiment of making peasant life suck more". it's a construction. ☟︎
decimation: note that no one is actually employed plowing anymore, except by usg, and those plows are automated machines
mircea_popescu: it doesn't have to be anymore.
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asciilifeform: but this is perhaps the only thing they 'need' here.
asciilifeform: folks line up to be subjugated.
mircea_popescu: "need" doesn't work in this ethereal, abstract way you use it.
mircea_popescu: if this patent nonsense had any sort of irl merit, you'll be stuck explaining the crowd at my door.
mircea_popescu: dude this is like saying guy has to "subjugate" woman, as she needs nothing etc.
decimation: asciilifeform: except historically the city man own's the country man's plows & fields
asciilifeform: as true now as in babylon.
asciilifeform: the latter needs nothing from the former.
asciilifeform: point is, city man must subjugate plow man - to live.
decimation: no far more important than food were reliable 'rivers of meat' to turn up at the voting-box
decimation: I have it next to me
asciilifeform: until RuBisCo is fixed and you can grow five men's bread in a pot in the cellar under grow lamp.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform rural anything doesn't need keeping down. << I embrace it. If the gasenwagen need to burn moar wood to collect me...
decimation: there are loads of major and minor cities that were hollowed out as part of the dekulakization program
decimation: yeah but the us between the coasts (especially east of the mississippi) isn't exactly rural
asciilifeform: dead duck with one trump card - the food.
mircea_popescu: rurality is a dead duck everywhere and in all times.
BingoBoingo still amazed white StL people don't realize that bosnians are what keep south city habitable
mircea_popescu: they love the russians, too.
mircea_popescu: decimation chechens are a fan of whatever empire they happen to have clung to the skirts of.
mircea_popescu: turns out the solution is adding &ncr=1 to whatever string you use for autosearch
mircea_popescu: so google decided spontaneously to redirect me to argentina google.
decimation: yeah, this is pretty much why blacks live in eastern urban cores by the way