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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a lot of fucking debate as to whether 1000s of individual pieces are or are not electroplatred.
assbot: BBC - Radio 4 - The Material World 07/04/2005 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNV837 )
adlai: mircea_popescu: facts don't check out, but 'the story is true': "Chloroform was discovered by accident in 1831 when eccentric American chemist Dr Samuel Guthrie mixed hen house disinfectant with whisky." - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/thematerialworld_20050728.shtml
BingoBoingo: Ah, I thought maybe whoever conquered Tyrone took the women and left the dick girl.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, the girl actually lives and breathes.
adlai: "660 000 tonnes per year, and about 90 % of emissions are natural" TIL
BingoBoingo will wait a while before trying this translation challenge. Suspects the subtext is the girl is Andy after Tyrone's empire collapses.
adlai wonders how sassanid scientists discovered this effect
asciilifeform: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Baghdad_battery << the mega-skeptics chime in
mircea_popescu: this is not like saying "go on a blind date with an unqualified woman", but like saying "take a random dude as a slave 5.8mn times"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Challenge Preet in single's combat to take over as Bezzel Arbiter for Manhattan
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 playing with things.
assbot: Iran Chamber Society: History of Iran: Parthian Battery (Ancient Iranians, The Inventors of Battery) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNUm61 )
mircea_popescu: kinda how it goes, pretend like you're a tough ass prosecutor for a few years, get a juicy private practice contract.
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: looks like you're planning future work for ro translations of trilema stuff huh?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what else was he going to do you know ?
assbot: Logged on 03-12-2014 22:56:56; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> considerably easier to collect than 'bitlicense' <<< lol what, vespasian v2.0 ?
assbot: You heard it here first: Lead prosecutor on U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara's London Whale cases is going to prominent defense firm.
asciilifeform: ordinary chemical pile, though, based on certain finds
mats_cd03: how are we all doing tonight
asciilifeform: i thought everyone knew this (at least, the hypothesis)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'Thank you folks for your work and I do apologize for the likely barrage of angry and childish emails I suspect you may already be receiving. The concept has attracted a couple of groups who can't accept playing by anyone's rules but their own.' << exactly fucking right.
assbot: The Romanian language for other people. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygCUbw )
asciilifeform: even if everyone suddenly desires to buy one, i half expect to be killed somewhere on the road between 1 and 2.
asciilifeform: i'm thick in (1) but 2, 3 are quasi-mythical dream.
BingoBoingo: I thought it was sufficiently endowed rocket to enable time and a Yurt.
asciilifeform: can't speak for others, but the thing i personally lack is - elementarily - time.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is quite mistaken in his picture of the missing parts.
BingoBoingo: To pass the time until cheap chicom memresistors?
asciilifeform: so, the bitcoind cleanup thing is conceivably useful, because end result could be the book i asked for, and a year or so from now i (or someone else) can read it, and build rational design.
asciilifeform: because the larger the pile, the more otherwise-reasonable folks say 'you cannot build a rationally built structure as tall as this pile, as glorious, without using old chairs and dead squirrels'
asciilifeform: answer: the kind that -removes- chairs from the babel pile.
asciilifeform: now, observation: what kind of existing-computing-infrastructure project -is- worth participating in? (voluntarily, rather than because of starvation)
asciilifeform: idea is, roughly, 1) to avoid the kinds of participation that can be avoided; and, 2) try to expand the set in (1).
undata must sing for his supper, and therefore must participate
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see, the thing about braindamage is that there is always one answer that costs nothing:
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can the trollolol of having done his exercise already not be point enough?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dafuq's the point
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> author says he wrote it for me to trololol over but i'm merely bored. << If it still exists perhaps ship him his Lisp environment of the future.
undata: what I am trying to do in my own work is at least write lisp as the primary thing from which I derive the braindead shitpile
asciilifeform: undata: glad you enjoyed. i think there may even be one or two people in #b-a who ended up here on account of it.
undata: and by the way, I have enjoyed reading your blog.
undata: asciilifeform: oh dear, yet more to suggest that nobody in this "economy" can think
mike_c: don't get too excited. gribble's a little dumb with the estimates
mircea_popescu: wouldja look at that.
assbot: Loper OS » The curious incident of the Lisp in the night-time ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygB5vc )
asciilifeform: also because there are armies of imbeciles (and their herders) who 'must stay relevant!' at whatever cost.
undata: but I'm not yet qualified to express that opinion
undata: asciilifeform: as I've learned lisp, I've started to wonder why there's anything else in the higher-level language space
asciilifeform: see the 'standards' section. then - take a piss on it.
asciilifeform: the trick is to realize how many of the 'mandatory' features are actually anything but.
asciilifeform: chuck moore did this with forth.
undata: can one person create a mass-producible lisp machine, the OS, etc?
undata: yeah, I can see that
asciilifeform: i stand by this.
undata: asciilifeform: somebody has to organize it, and fund it
asciilifeform: 'figuring out rocket engines is hard work. let's pile more bricks on this here tower of babel. so what if it's already prolapsed in ten thousand places. more bricks, more chairs, old cars, corpses of slaves. big enough river of meat - we shall go to victory. come join my river of meat.' -- summary of this and 100+ similarly idiotic answers to my articles.
undata: I was anticipating the clojure plug about halfway in
asciilifeform: possibly author assumed that i read whatever snakepit he linked to it in.
asciilifeform: (no one bothered to tell me about the piece, i ran into it by sheer accident.)
asciilifeform: author says he wrote it for me to trololol over but i'm merely bored.
assbot: The Future of the LispM · f $ [T, T] → T ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygzCFa )
asciilifeform: folks who write spec often forget that a spec is a cheque that someone's pair of hands needs to cash
undata: asciilifeform: seems like there's just far too much spec for that to happen
jurov: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: you'd make more from selling the fuel. <<< you know UAE does not export much natural gas, just uses it to desalinate water...
undata: for their OS
undata: I'm starting to see Google Chrome as a trojan
asciilifeform: afaik there is still no www browser that correctly implements the whole pile of shit as an invariant
undata: asciilifeform: you mentioned whether browsers are simply tools to accumulate "market share"
asciilifeform: reminds me of something i wrote once: a kind of simple 'lisp machine' in 'adobe flash' bytecode. never published, because realized that the whole idea is braindamaged and will encourage further braindamage if anyone were to use it
undata: I suppose, though the DOM isn't relevant within it
asciilifeform: do i even want to know.
asciilifeform: canvas tag?
undata: asciilifeform: he mentions X; I've pondered coming up with a little protocol to talk to a canvas tag with
BingoBoingo: Alternate history internet wish, dominant ircd fork is named arseC, name stick for the protocol
undata: I'm over here hacking clojurescript pretending my hardest that there isn't a browser underneath
undata: then we try to bastardize the thing into an actual programming environment
undata: asciilifeform: "It’s maybe what happens when physicists decide to play with computers, I’m not sure." << hear hear
asciilifeform: undata: the whole concept of 'web browser' is ultimately braindamaged. see one of my articles - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309
asciilifeform: considerably easier to collect than 'bitlicense'
asciilifeform: no one may take a shit without paying. per gram.
asciilifeform: i propose now a new and improved tax for usg: the -shitlicense-.
dignork: Lovely - Amazon tries to keep out of bitlicense: http://www.dfs.ny.gov/legal/vcrf_0500/20141020%20VC%20Proposed%20Reg%20Comment%20139%20-%20Amazon.pdf
undata: on this alt-history internet, can we have a lisp instead of JS?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure you know. Just a dumb directory, except hypertext instead of the cheapest dead trees
undata: if we're hitting reset on things, can I have a computer too?
BingoBoingo: Now the entire internet from 1999 on needs to be tossed to fix the problem
BingoBoingo: But then they moved so far from that... I mean when facebook changed everyone's email address, insufficient people revolted
BingoBoingo: Much in the way Facebook was addressbook for dummies
asciilifeform: if interesting, get the fuck out of kolkhoz ('twitter', arsebook, etc.) and on real www
BingoBoingo: Or they silence anyone interesting, which happens appallingly often enough already
undata: BingoBoingo: that's clever, get the peasants to silence each other
BingoBoingo: http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/12/03/1759238/twitter-should-use-random-sample-voting-for-abuse-reports << Person encourages twitter to go to a still darker side
BingoBoingo: Tower of fire can have a standalone purpose. Making the orc fear that scarier orcs reside at the base
undata: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: terrible waste << yes but tower of fire
asciilifeform: for thermocouples - you want more of a potbelly stove, with long chimney
BingoBoingo: But if you want to broadcast, same solution... tower of fire