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Vexual: and i f you were invested in yourself badon, i'd trust you to do business on the net
Vexual: theres the web of trust
badon: If someone betrays my trust, I can't punch them in the head with their PGP public key.
badon: In fact, my business style is to be suspicious of anyone who insists on formal contracts. If they don't trust me, I don't want to do business with them, and vice versa.
badon: My experience has been that these trust models are useless. They're better than complete anonymity, because they end up having some practical monetary value, but the abuse of the trust always eventually becomes more profitable than honoring the trust. Therefore, if I don't trust you, I don't care what your PGP key says.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Vexual!~x@unaffiliated/vexual. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user muXne to user muxne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=muxne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=muxne | Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user muXne to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user muXne to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Vexual to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Vexual&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
BingoBoingo: Only a few weeks of inactivity before freenode drops tham
badon: I feel dirty every time I send a password to nickserv or chanserv on IRC, but in my case, I use SASL and the Tor hidden service, so it's not plaintext like it might be for ordinary IRC connections.
BingoBoingo: The voice thing though is that words have meaning, and the strength of that is predicated on the person doing the speaking. Hence strong identification as opposed to weak identification.
badon: So I've been told :)
BingoBoingo: Purpose of the channel takes a few months.
badon: ...like the purpose of this channel, haha
badon: maybe there's something I'm simply not aware of.
badon: I can't think of anything.
badon: Right, but what is being accomplished by that extra step?
BingoBoingo: At least in the way naively concieved
badon: Hmm, OK, then I'm still skeptical anything at all is being accomplished by preventing me from speaking.
BingoBoingo: Trading in this channel is infrequent
BingoBoingo: I didn't make the system, I just join it
badon: Is trading a part of this channel?
badon: I'm very skeptical that's necessary.
badon: BingoBoingo: Right, but why is that second factor critical just to merely speak?
badon: What does impersonating people have to do with me?
BingoBoingo: But you have need of gribble if you want to self voice. Defeating nickserv would make impersonating other people too easy
badon: You could just handle that the standard way by requiring people to be registered with nickserv to be voiced.
badon: But I don't trade bitcoin, I have no need of gribble.
badon: Is it accomplishing something to prevent people from speaking?
badon: Is it accomplishing someone to prevent people from speaking?
decimation: well I'm going to retire, good evening gents
mircea_popescu: could be nicely pulsed, way faster than mechanical...
asciilifeform: and in 1982 ru, pdp 'had the w4r3z'
decimation: which is basically the same argument as "but x86 has the warez"
decimation: well, literally $$bn have been invested on the current path
asciilifeform: but no one wants to rock this boat, it seems.
asciilifeform: i've always thought laser spotweld would make a beautiful replacement for solder.
asciilifeform: decimation: will reflow in the equipment i have with very rough time curves and minimal damage to components.
decimation: asciilifeform: is that the 'most reliable' alloy?
Vexual: sticks like poo to a blanket
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decimation: asciilifeform: no, more reliable than lead solder with extreme temp and vibration
decimation: with copper too I guess. it's prone to weird 'whisker' formation
decimation: silver tin
asciilifeform: but this is not a high bar
Vexual: easier to probe for errors perhaps?
asciilifeform: satellites << quite likely more reliable than lead-free solder, yes
asciilifeform: some of the early crays were in fact wire-wrapped.
decimation: I think it is still used today to construct some satellites
decimation: properly done it is more reliable than soldering
asciilifeform: less-than-perfect wire wrapping was the doom of many an amateur digital gizmo
mircea_popescu: course bakc when i was a kid we had this breadboard with springed clamps
Vexual: but thats my favourite part
decimation: old-school electronics construction technique
Vexual: oh hell no, it neads tinning
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decimation: Vexual: wire wrapping is for you then
Vexual: i don't know much about electronics, but fuck i go thruogh some hookup wire
asciilifeform: photographs show rom debugger - more than you can say for your pc !
asciilifeform: this one - through-hole parts everywhere, reminiscent of (usa) 'commodore 64'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/UKNC-MS-0511-MC-Computer-MS-0202-Complex-Vintage-USSR-Soviet-Russian-DEC-PDP-11-/380857963982 << example of that pdp in natural habitat. same junk peddler.
decimation: I guess that costs - need pins, wire, etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/K1602RC2-Vintage-Quite-Rare-USSR-Soviet-Russian-Magnetic-Bubble-Domain-Memory-/151342346010 << to complete your project. yes, bubble memory. go find usa bubble memory.
decimation: asciilifeform: did they do much wire wrap?
asciilifeform: those items are present anyway. but wear on drills, time, defects, etc.
mircea_popescu: and in the other color scheme : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg6ddfYOd8w
asciilifeform: it was all hand - or, at the most l33t factories - wave - solder.
asciilifeform: afaik ussr did not churn out 'surface mount' process until the very end years.
asciilifeform: the physical package is typical of the culture
asciilifeform: my elder brother learned to program on these.
Vexual: the dog and the banknote
mircea_popescu: it's not that far off from the truth.
mircea_popescu: so this time you'll have to sleep with hookers.
mircea_popescu: and ftr, last time we did wags and it didn't work out
asciilifeform counts coin originally from mircea_popescu remaining in piggy, turns out it almost exactly equals above number.
ben_vulpes: love even more buying them with pesos.
ben_vulpes: Vexual: or take more btc. arsfolk love btc.
Vexual: pay more in bc, but arrive with 12 trillion pesos
Vexual: can you just buy usd to offset expenses?
mircea_popescu: ^ this btw is a month away from being moar expensive
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Vexual: "I certainly don't want anyone mining technology ... away from my control" <<this would sound more intelligent if he was stuttering
decimation: mackay kind of revived gallager's work in the 60's with ldpc codes
BingoBoingo: ^ Dude sat next to Obama Monday, charged Thursday
ben_vulpes: i refuse to claim knowledge of anything anymore. downright dangerous.
decimation: asciilifeform: you might like this book http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/itila/book.html
ben_vulpes: well, someone with the face plastered everywhere.
Vexual: i think i may have met that mastercard derp
asciilifeform: ^ the article in question
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mircea_popescu: im starting to suspect buterin is actually a manufactured identity.
asciilifeform: (what truck he has with this subject? who can say)
asciilifeform: yes, that one.
asciilifeform was lying in bed, delirious, and switched on a tablet toy, wanted to read about erasure codes to take mind off snot. and found an article with colourful pictures, sorta explaining one kind. and with horror saw the author:
asciilifeform: and can anyone even give a well-founded answer to this question
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform would hold that "it doesn't work".
mod6: first make it work, then we make it pretty
ben_vulpes: an 0.5.3 that needs a kick in the ass a few times a day but can still catch up to chainhead trumps a power ranger hardfork with no published and serenissima-signed alternative.
mod6: first, we just wanted to bypass the wedge block so we can catch up to the main chain.