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undata: or uh,
too busy
to notice otherwise
mats_cd03: wishing i'd be free of
the 9-5 drudgery
mats_cd03: doing different
things like studying
the windows kernel,
trying
to learn malware analysis fundamentals and some of
the
tooling, docker deployment for dev and prod for a friend's website, and working on
the courts circus project
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> but ba bitcoin market is in complete shambles and im getting sick of it. << "retail" integrations aside, i found
the actual buy/sell market
totally functional.
mats_cd03: who still worships at
the altar of VC cock, apparently
ben_vulpes: <badon> More seriously, VC's like
to see a business leadership
that is personally highly invested into
the business with
their own financial resources. << lol return of spamgun?
danielpbarron: i've done quite a few face-to-face
trades via localbitcoins; never used
their escrow. just used it
to post my phone number
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes
thestringpuller you know
that qntrra piece came out really good.
mats_cd03: they're finally admitting it
to
themselves
nubbins`: the pages are slightly less
thick, 175gsm dead-tree
nubbins`: anyway, i'll probably just switch over
to Stonehenge paper after
this shit runs out.
fluffypony: and
throw jars of green paint at printers
fluffypony: I'm going
to become carnivorous
to stop abuse of plants
nubbins`: actually
the cotton plant does not die when you pick
the cotton
nubbins`: two deckled edges, one smooth side, one lightly
toothed :D
mircea_popescu: uh. a broadsheet is like .4 sqm. what's
this, 250 gram paper ?
nubbins`: that's pretty close
to broadsheet, yes
nubbins`: which, i have
to say, is a fucking bogus price
nubbins`: also got in
touch w/
the manufacturer of
the paper we've been using,
they said
they have one roll left
that
they'd be willing
to cut into sheets for us... but it's 1000 sheets at $3.05ea
nubbins`: o and
the first edition of
the bird book is now sold out
mircea_popescu: except
they're about as intellectually indolent as
the mexican stereotype goes.
mircea_popescu: buncha 20something year olds, "designers" and "web experts" and whatnot, with
their bike and
their 0.18 btc in some sort of wallet
that cost
them .28
nubbins`: as if argentinians are looking for ANOTHER currency
to gamble with
cazalla: don't
they have a bitcoin embassy in ar?
nubbins`: i.e. a couple neckbeards & wizards puffing
themselves up
mircea_popescu: for
the record, bitpagos is some delaware start-up, looking
to be bought out. it's playing
the numbers game.
the numbers are based on what numbers usually are based on, in fraudlandia i mean
the internet.
mircea_popescu: sure, some guy kinda remembers someone buying him a beer
to say something or
the other with coinsomething in it. last year.
mircea_popescu: if you look at it isuperficially it appears
there's "hundreds" of places in a 12 million inhabitant
town, which is somehow notable (srsly ?). if you actually investigate it, you soon discover
they're all fictitious.
mircea_popescu: absolute fucking astroturfing. idiot faux-bitcoin-foundation
types push
this sort of arrangement where i dunno,
they buy an empanada
to random people
to say
they're "accepting bitcoin"
then populate all sorts of crudiferous web2.0 apps, maps and random websites.
nubbins`: something about
they lock up funds in a peculiar way, with onus on btc seller
to prove
tx went
thru?
cazalla: used it once for a buy, went ok, seems
to be plenty of scammers
too
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone got a localbitcoins account
that
they're using ? is
that
thing any cereal ?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: what a useless discussion of
trust <<<
that's what fucking happens with noobs ALL
THE DAMNED
TIME. But
they know better! But why won't people who do
thinks professionally consider
their input! But amateurism is a do-ocracy! But reasons! But considerations! But he's not read five years of
tardstalk so five years of
tardstalk has never happened. Let's do it again!
mircea_popescu: badon: My experience has been
that
these
trust models are useless. <<< you are wrong. period and full stop. swallow
this and change or get lost. also full stop.
mircea_popescu: "hey, I want
to do x" "so get in wot" "but i have no need of it". well...
mircea_popescu: badon: But I don't
trade bitcoin, I have no need of gribble. << lmao
Vexual: meanwhile aour
two favourite female rappers named for rhododhendrons are in a
twitter feud
Vexual: i bet vuples could fly
that
thing, 4 joysticks and a debug panel
BingoBoingo: Thought it was going
to be a discussion of voice
mats_cd03: i
thought it'd get better, but it didn't, just one guy derping
mats_cd03: what a useless discussion of
trust
BingoBoingo: Yeah plenty of lispers,
think most of
them are sleeping atm
Ralt: this is about all
the information I have :)
Ralt: I heard
that
there were lispers around, and
that
this'd be an interesting place. Is all
BingoBoingo: Good question. It's subtle.
Takes
time
to realize
that.
Ralt: BingoBoingo: what's
this chan for exactly?
BingoBoingo: Well if you want
to lurk faster
there's a link
to logs in
the
topic so you can lurk
the past
too
badon: If you live in Africa, for example, anon derps will risk
their lives (and yours) just
to get your shoes. In North Europe, an armored car with open doors might not be worth
the bother when you can just show up
to work every day and earn a good income.
Vexual: one
time
things nearly always hurt everyone invol,ved
badon: Yeah,
this gets into
the realm of "how retarded is your neighbor?".
BingoBoingo: Chance of pulling of a heist might be worth it
to anon derp
BingoBoingo: I dunno I'd want
to be around anon derp and armed anon friends, maybe
they're dumb and
think heist?
badon: BingoBoingo: I'll
take
the anon derp's cash.
badon: Either everyone dies in
the next 2 minutes, or
they all go home a little richer.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but you still want
to deal with a name and not an anon derp
badon: BingoBoingo: Cash on
the
table, everyone around it armed
to
the
teeth.
badon: BingoBoingo:
That helps, but I don't
think it helps as much as everyone wishes it did.
badon: Vexual: You're not
too far off
the mark. I'm heavily involved in business.
BingoBoingo: Sure,
that's why you want
to identify people
badon: It's a question
that is answerable on a case-by-case basis only.
Vexual: heres me
thinking you're working for mastercard
badon: Vexual: You misunderstand, I'm saying I DON'T want
to quantify people, because it's impossible.
Vexual: badon: if you wanna quantify people you might as well bring a
tank
BingoBoingo: Well, you have
to know people you can ask about people
badon: BingoBoingo: In other words, pointless
to
try
to quantify, certainly not worth
the bother of forcing it on people.
badon: Some criminals specialize in building
trust, and
then violating it.
That's why
they're called "cons", with
the word "con" being an abbreviation for "confidence".
BingoBoingo: badon: Right,
that's why it's qualitative rather
than quantitative
Vexual: unless you're in
the wot
badon: BingoBoingo: No,
that's not
true. A person might be kind and
trustworthy
to everyone except Jews, or people who's names start with Q, or whatever. In other words,
there is no predictive value in any of
these
trust models. In other words again,
there is no formula.
Vexual: you never know how you look
through other peoples eyes
BingoBoingo: A person's a shithead or
they aren't. If
they aren't a shithead
there's going
to be qualitative reasons why
they aren't a shithead.
badon: I'm sure somebody has a mathematical model of different ways
to quantify
trust.
punkman: also if by "formal contract" you mean
that
thing with 50 pages some lawyers drafted, yeah we don't usually like
those either.
BingoBoingo: <badon> My experience has been
that
these
trust models are useless.
They're better
than complete anonymity, because
they end up having some practical monetary value, but
the abuse of
the
trust always eventually becomes more profitable
than honoring
the
trust.
Therefore, if I don't
trust you, I don't care what your PGP key says. <<
Trust isn't a point system
though, it is a name system.
BingoBoingo: <badon> If someone betrays my
trust, I can't punch
them in
the head with
their PGP public key. << You can effectively indict
them with
the
text
they've signed
punkman: so we use it for all kinds of
things
punkman: but it's not a web of
trades
punkman: people
trade all kinds of
things on #bitcoin-otc, so it'd be useful for you
to get in
that
badon: Otherwise, no one would approach
them. VC's don't normally solicit businesses
to invest in
them.
mats_cd03: i'm struggling
to
take you seriously
Vexual: id wanna see
the vcs moneys
too
badon: More seriously, VC's like
to see a business leadership
that is personally highly invested into
the business with
their own financial resources.
badon: A venture capitalist wants
to see an entrepreneur's children's college funds on
the line, along with contracts
to send
them off
to work in
the mines.
Then
the VC might
take
them seriously as somebody who's going
to do
their best
to not lose
the business.
badon: Vexual: Yes,
that's how most of
the best business people choose who
they do business with.