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undata: UI components which were meant
to say represent a join, or a boolean expression, or what have you
undata: we bound widgets
to various chunks of AST
undata: it was pretty damn elegant; I still
try
to code
that way
undata: you change
things in
the world by changing
their model
undata: that pg_meta embodies
the approach; for everything, you make a data model
undata: I haven't seen
them release much else yet
undata: I left
the company when I lost a conflict over whether we should shift focus from burning
the founder's money
to making money
undata: at my old job, we were creating a visual SQL editor as
the primary way of fiddling
this envisioned programming environment
undata: the guy behind lighttable is now headed
towards
the same, calling it "eve"
undata: and uh, by god don't make
the
thing out of
the web
undata: the "mind extender" vector - rather
than "derp
this until any idiot can 'use' it" - is much more interesting
undata: I recently worked for a guy who wanted
to make a relational end user programming environment
undata: asciilifeform: I am going
to have
to read your loper-os blog all
the way
through
iang: ha,
thanks. but crashing here, later.
BingoBoingo: Well, I dunno of any better
to gen keys with atm
than RSA.
iang: seems
to work better if I give it an RSA key ;-)
iang: ha, no. Is
that based on
the RNG problems
that various platforms had?
iang: BingoBoingo: yup. I guess everyone’s got
the message
that
the
threat is on
the node.
iang: well, every month I’d send him an email and he’d send me back a request
to use his new key :)
BingoBoingo: iang: Current best practice seems
to be gen RSA/RSA and just make
the it huge
iang: yah. I remember (one of?)
the last person I used
to
talk regularly with gpg would make keys every month and dispose of
the old ones. I only
talked
to him maybe once a month so it didn’t last...
BingoBoingo: Similarly everyone on
the internet is
themself alleged
to be a
troll at some point on a long enough
timeline
BingoBoingo: Pretty sure everyone on
the interent is at some point.
iang: hmmm, you are alleged
to befriend
trolls
iang: ah, is
that something my IRC client needs
to be aware of ?
BingoBoingo: iang: You could produce a GPG keypair and register with
the gribble bot
iang: hmmm… you have
to sit
there and do
that every 30 mins?
BingoBoingo: Also worked on
the dumpster 486 packard bell with windows 3.1
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i never used it, i was maybe 15-16 at
the
time and muh uncle constantly
telling me
to buy shares in sausage software
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Compared
to
the adobe
turds at
the highschool it was elegant
cazalla: BingoBoingo:
The only environment I've ever been similarly confident with was
the old "Hot Dog HTML"
that was included on
the web design for dummies book cd at
the local library <<< lol sausage software, my uncle never shut up about
these guys
mircea_popescu: undata
there's excellent reasons not
to worry about
that.
undata: things which
take lat/lng and desired size of crater as input
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apple,
the heritage company was never entirely innocent on
the cabling front (Apple desktop bus, etc)
The portable gadgets yes did demand a still more grotesque submission.
Thankfully pawn shops love Apple shit.
mircea_popescu: perhaps
this latter also different from a purely numeric ai
undata: elon musk and stephen hawking have been saying
things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah,
to be its own
thing, posing a
threat.
BingoBoingo: Didn't realize apple died
till junior year of college when I got an iPod
to replace a Rio MP3 player and was introduced
to iTunes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Summer before college I
though I'd buy a new Apple on
their financing, had not realized company had died. Mercifully was declined and got a used Dell Latitude.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, until such a
time as natural language works for coding,
there won't be
the "evil ai" whatever guy's worried about.
mircea_popescu: iang well alternatively
there's always
the half year's lurking an' reading logs.
BingoBoingo: The only environment I've ever been similarly confident with was
the old "Hot Dog HTML"
that was included on
the web design for dummies book cd at
the local library
BingoBoingo: the environment, and
the potential of
the environment...
undata: trying
to be like natural language
BingoBoingo: At
the
time I had yet
to have a computer at home so I bought a bunch of computers and spares for about $10 a pop
iang: right… I recall
the Mac people were emotional about it
BingoBoingo: iang: It's
the programming environment
that shipped on
the last of
the real Macs. I had picked some up at an auction my school had and was playing with
them as my first computers
undata: non-web hyperlink programming environment for
the mac
BingoBoingo: Ah, I had recently discovered hypercard around
that
time
iang: back in
the days when we had only single servers and only single operators and only
tunnel vision
iang: Luckily I’d sent an email
to
the founders
that said “you’re gonna get busted if you don’t fix it” and
that
told
the feds I wasn’t
their drone
iang: In 2000 I was building precious metal exchanges. And staying out of
trouble. Which almost snapped shut on me,
the whole e-gold story :(
iang: some
things should stay buried under rocks
hanbot: oh
that. still, 2000 much better
than nothing.
iang: or,
the earliest
that
the current keyring admits
to.
iang: hmmm.. well I’m
theoretically limited
to 2000 and even
that is hard coz gpg doesn’t play nice
mircea_popescu: probably
the most important
thing you can say right off.
iang: hmmm. possibly but I’d have
to go digging into detritus
mircea_popescu: iang so about
this
two decade cryptohistory of yours ?
iang: yup, not sure I can help,
there are a few of us :D
BingoBoingo: Ah, apparently someone whose nick is a similar string of letters
to yours encountered him on
the
twatter earleir
today
iang: hmm maybe. Not sure who danielpbarron is
tho
BingoBoingo: iang: Are you
the person danielpbarron pointed here?
BingoBoingo: So in early bookmaking it looks like
they are only giving a 2.5 point spread in
the Bitcoin Bowl.
That isn't even a field goal
BingoBoingo: It's old news
that popped up in my
twatter feed again, prolly as part of some cold PR war between
the web wallet
turds
mircea_popescu: meh on 2nd hand
this isn't even worth
the mention, and also ancient.
BingoBoingo: Either
that it was
the avians comping
to displace
the lizards
BingoBoingo: Wonder if
the lizards had something
to do with it.
BingoBoingo: So ran out
to Grandpa's
to replace
the batteries in his
TV remote. On
the way
to
the store from his place say a big ass shooting star with a definite green
tint.