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assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 02:34:07; mircea_popescu: sure, not to date. but we're not going by the criteria of what is easy, so we don'
t really care. if we won'
t have success for the next decade we'll be here trying it in 2026.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 01:39:10; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217142 << doesn'
t have to be a one size fits all. but if your software can'
t be built, your software doesn'
t exist. and it is still upon you to explain how you expect users to use your thing - nobody is going to go do the guesswork of "what the author might have meant", and ESPECIALLY no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else
decimation: I'm sure the homos at apple support utf8, but apparently it doesn'
t work with whatever buildroot wants
mircea_popescu: but i'm pretty sure can'
t simply abandon the entire userland question, it'd be a major strategic mistake.
mircea_popescu: can'
t even afford this for eulora, let alone for bitcoin.
mod6: yeah totally agree. and i can'
t help but wonder if it's simply because of things that each persons different host has not installed by default. but it's hard to account for all of that.
mod6: oh no. i wasn'
t planning on that at all this month anyway.
mircea_popescu: you don'
t belong there, and moreover that's just not our company style.
mircea_popescu: mod6 just don'
t go to this dark place where "omg it's the 29th and i must have a working final version of bitcoind to announce
trinque: there aren'
t enough smart people in the world
mod6: trinque: he and i discussed this breifly. and I won'
t speak for him here. but i wouldn'
t have said what I said earlier without at least a discussion about that.
mircea_popescu: sure, not to date. but we're not going by the criteria of what is easy, so we don'
t really care. if we won'
t have success for the next decade we'll be here trying it in 2026.
☟︎ mod6: and besides, we haven'
t exactly had great luck with our own build scripts to date.
trinque: but you can'
t own a fucking concept
trinque: because they don'
t own the concept if that's what they claim they're doing
hanbot: doesn'
t seem to claim any ownership
decimation: ^ how could the constition give you your ideas if usg didn'
t own them first?
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 01:24:23; trinque: so the legal precedent here is that your property can be violated by a low-flying drone and there isn'
t shit you can do about it?
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217142 << doesn'
t have to be a one size fits all. but if your software can'
t be built, your software doesn'
t exist. and it is still upon you to explain how you expect users to use your thing - nobody is going to go do the guesswork of "what the author might have meant", and ESPECIALLY no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 22:57:10; mod6: The Foundation isn'
t going to ship these builds scripts any more. We're just going to ship source code for bitcoin.
trinque: so the legal precedent here is that your property can be violated by a low-flying drone and there isn'
t shit you can do about it?
☟︎ mod6: <+trinque> asciilifeform: I don'
t think he's saying that, merely that aside from the makefile, perhaps the larger build system should be a separate concern << exactly this. Makefile stays ofc.
BingoBoingo: linux per se doesn'
t seem to be the problem so much as linus, as traditionally implemented is
trinque: asciilifeform: I don'
t think he's saying that, merely that aside from the makefile, perhaps the larger build system should be a separate concern
trinque: I'm curious why these guys don'
t seem to have considered using openbsd as a basis
mod6: That all being said, I'm super glad that 'rotor' is out there now, and I hope to learn and use it one day myself. Maybe even this week! But that shouldn'
t be something that we deliver.
mod6: The Foundation isn'
t going to ship these builds scripts any more. We're just going to ship source code for bitcoin.
☟︎ mod6: because alf's original stator doens'
t have that in there.
punkman: mod6: above curl command doesn'
t work for me
shinohai: I didn'
t know you could value yelp! in negatves
pete_dushenski: which, if it's acting up, isn'
t much of a cv, mr. dunne !
hanbot: thanks tringue. still doesn'
t match sha512sum however (boost)
hanbot: achtung noobkart. stator's distfiles manifest lists a boost bz2, ml67 pulls in gz. bz2 from sourceforge doesn'
t match manifest's sha512sum, where is correct bz2 located?
diana_coman: ah wow, haven'
t played that in some years, hmmmm
jurov: please don'
t, eulora is a plot to sabotage the foundation efforts
jurov: it can'
t even get pty properly
jurov: i don'
t reject that altogether, will see how it goes
ascii_field: i literally can'
t recall any other than these 3.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don'
t think you understand what the word "stupid" means.
mircea_popescu: anyway. bring some friends, the hos you can'
t do without, some money and i guess handguns if you don'
t care for the chinese half-and-half crap.
ascii_field: if the $mil fits in your pocket, you probably won'
t have to shoot anyone
trinque: I don'
t know that even Mr. Huxley would've ever dreamt you'd carry the thing around with you.
shinohai: Easiest way to spy on your citizens is to put a device in every household they can'
t resist.
ascii_field: trinque: as i understand, the story isn'
t about '90s-style bans, but smoke to distract from the fact the 'smartPnohe' etc. is thoroughly pwned and usg-controlled on every level, 'crypted' or not
trinque: in-wot jobs board isn'
t that bad an idea, really
mod6: isn'
t rotor just 'old-stator' (from a few months ago) + buildroot & openssl patch?
mod6: i looked like to me that maybe something worked well after realpath was installed with boost, but maybe something didn'
t get copied over correctly with openssl.
shinohai: I have yet to build successfully on gentoo, BSD, and arm. gentoo because I don'
t have a system up yet, arm because I'm a retard when it comes to cross-compiling.
mod6: having a fully deterministic everything is where we want to be. but I can'
t even get it to build yet myself. imho; we've got quite some time/work ahead of us on that.
mircea_popescu: (don'
t mind the 3ms ^C precision - i've yet to make a ping printout do two digit microsecond delays)
BingoBoingo: It's probably both. I mean 2004 olympics didn'
t kill greece on its own, but was a symptom.
mircea_popescu: anyway, props to slate for managing to repackage the "us can'
t afford to host olympics, unlike both china and russia, because it sucks" into some sort of "do not want" because "notgood".
mircea_popescu: oh, "co-ops" don'
t work because uneconomical ? THEY SHOULD BE MANDATORY
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:16:12; ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can'
t shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak
BingoBoingo: I haven'
t seen a source yet, but apparently rumours are Twitter hired that Randi Harper chick that Yahoo fired for meth...
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:56:14; asciilifeform: i don'
t grasp this, and won'
t, regardless of how well mircea_popescu explains it. why the fuck would anyone want ritual over the real thing ?
BingoBoingo: Built a brand on neon trunks covered in skulls, but Reebock doesn'
t think they can market it? FU
mircea_popescu: i certainly don'
t expect the libertard definition of diplomatic to apply.
pete_dushenski: "Drivers who work for Uber should verify their vehicles are insured for commercial use, the Insurance Bureau of Canada said Tuesday after the Alberta government concluded the ride-hailing service's insurance policies don'
t meet that province's requirements." << ayup. sv's 'sharing economy' is a whole whack of insurance fraud.
BingoBoingo: Windows wasn'
t really even much of a thing apparently until Windows 95 when the local Walmart had lines for it thanks to "marketing"
mircea_popescu: they couldn'
t even let the ips through, because that badly set up.
mircea_popescu: and at the time at least they still thought "we" don'
t have the list
mircea_popescu: not that what you propose doesn'
t make for a better story, but still.
mircea_popescu: the problem is not that i don'
t understand what you're saying. the problem is i don'
t see what you're basing it on.
phf: i don'
t know the bush and the policeman reference, but i assume "bent in two, tied together and thrown out" is a reference to his espionage trial, then the same
phf: i met oleg kalugin at russian cultural center, he had a handler with him, a tall gentleman, presumably from cia, who mas making sure that kalugin doesn'
t say something he's not supposed to say. i always wanted one of those, but until that time i just look for coded messages in the new yorker :)
decimation: after wwi anyone who wasn'
t a dead or on fire was by default the 'winner'
decimation: well, europe destroying itself didn'
t help their case either
decimation: somehow it's okay to drive a gigantic truck with seats (suv) but a minivan isn'
t - even though it's more efficient and generally can carry more stuff
mircea_popescu: 1.3k cc engine "trucks" that can'
t climb a 3% incline.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: didn'
t take you for a mission impossible fan.
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can'
t shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak
☟︎ nubbins`: hell, most humans won'
t eat coffee