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mircea_popescu: whoever did
the decors put a shitton of intelligent work in
Vexual: now
the koreans are making
the best limo at
the best price, just coz
they can
mircea_popescu: if you're curious
to get a feel for
the actual flavour of everyday bvack
then, it's a good primer.
decimation: this strikes me as more limiting
than physics
decimation:
http://imgur.com/79DTA7H << "By 2020, current cost
trends will lead
to an average cost of between $15 billion and $20 billion for a leading-edge fab, according
to
the report. By 2016,
the minimum capital expenditure budget needed
to justify
the building of a new fab will range from $8 billion
to $10 billion for logic, $3.5 billion
to $4.5 billion for DRAM and $6 billion
to $7 billion for NAND flash, according
to
the report."
mircea_popescu: they run it because
they're not smart enough
to even figure
there's away out of
the paper bag, as a principle.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> decimation: why would iranian ministry of nukes run winblows <<< recall
that buenos aires pantalla ?
decimation: I know for certain
that nazi-era IG farben was way ahead of
the world in paint
technology at
the
time
mircea_popescu: those shitty plastics of
the era... not really very mouldable...
mircea_popescu: you can't argue with
that part.
they got really good at printing
them.
decimation: the problem is
that 2014 has 1980 built into is core, under layers of 'tardation
mircea_popescu: i
thought you were kinda arguing both ends of a candle here :p
mircea_popescu: my own personal opinion is you're
taking
that
too far. srsly, current cpus are worth 80 2014 dollars
decimation: I was pricing a nice wild-caught salmon from alaska, goes for $20 per lb at
the cheap rate
mircea_popescu: just,
they found ways
to repackage cheaper shit as food.
decimation: orlov is right
that wages haven't increased, but prices have fallen
TomServo: know, but
there is no limit at all
to how much you don't know but
think you do!
TomServo: Consider
this: knowledge is always limited and specific, but ignorance is infinite and completely general; knowledge is hard
to convey, and
travels no faster
than
the speed of light, but ignorance is instantaneous at all points in
the known and unknown universe, including alternate universes and dimensions of whose existence we are entirely ignorant. In short,
there is a limit
to how much you can
mircea_popescu: it has
to be said, again and again, lest anyone forgets :
this was designed as a prototype.
decimation: it's
true it greatly reduced
the size of
the blockchain, but at what cost?
decimation: I can see why satoshi avoided using
the nist curves, but using ecc in general was probably a bad move
decimation: people have been banging
their heads against factoring large primes for a long
time
decimation: yeah
this is why RSA seems more compelling
mircea_popescu: for FUCKING OBVIOUS reasons, such as...
the involvement of pi!
this is
true for curves
too.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's fond of pointing out
to
the pi problem of "random numbers", ie, for all you know xth index of pi digits is random
mircea_popescu: but
there's also some scienfitic doubt. you really don't know a) how good a "random curve" is n
the generla case ; b) you don't really know how
to calculate
the quality of a good curve.
decimation: Yeah I am going
to have
to work it out for myself it seems
mircea_popescu: <decimation> Is
there a similar procedure for ECDSA? << sort-of.
the exponent is ideally chosen randomly as well as
the index.
decimation: there is plenty of 'hard work' going on in
the us, just misdirected
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how many u.s. expats are willing
to, say, break
their backs doing actual work for
the locals ? << all women
that i ever met. srsly.
mircea_popescu: <undata> or hell, loot
the nearest shoe store for some nikes if
that's all you can muster << petty crime is really a very poor plan.
decimation: I guess my question above (rephrased) is
this: does
the secp256k1 algorithm allow for any arbitrary 256 bit vector
to be used as a key? Or is
there a restricted set
that will be more secure
than other cases?
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:37; asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center'
to
them, even when
the shower heads start hissing out
the zyklon.
decimation: "the people" of
the us should demand
their
tax dollars back
decimation: and speculation on why
the most retarded design decisions were made
to force vulnerabilities
decimation: nah, not
that stuff,
the history of
the development of ecdsa
decimation: probably about
the same kind of stuff as
the us version
decimation: do
these still compete
today? russian military and svr?
decimation: I guess in
the us
the fbi is kinda
the secret police
decimation: what is
the difference between
that and
the fsb?
decimation: well, probably for
the same reason soviets wanted pdp11
decimation: asciilifeform: why would
the russian foreign ministry run winblows?
mike_c: unless you use
the nsa horseshoe, which everyone knows
the answers
to.
mike_c: ecdsa works on
the magical horseshoe principle. you start from one spot on
the horseshoe and shoot over
to
the other side, and where you land is difficult
to figure out.
decimation: yeah, it was a noob implementation. But it brought up a question in my mind: for RSA, private key and public key are derived from a prime number. Is
there a similar procedure for ECDSA?
kakobrekla: someones coding license needs
to be revoked?
decimation: seems like a good recipie
to greatly restrict
the keyspace
decimation: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: deterministic wallets <<
the ware
that someone dropped in
the chan a few days ago was amusing: you enter you die rolls on
the command line (history!) and
then it converts
to 'diceware' string, and
then it
takes a sha256 hash
danielpbarron: you're from a different WoT, sort-of; all your connections are from -otc, and none are from here (or at least from anyone here who matters (and
therefore anyone anywhere who matters))
kakobrekla: <EPiSKiNG-> all
those WoT ratings, and assbot has no love <
this
thing apparently works,
those ratings are useless
danielpbarron: you've got quite a few positive ratings from users i don't
trust
EPiSKiNG-: all
those WoT ratings, and assbot has no love
thestringpuller: today I heard
the phrase: "Encryption as a Service" used as a buzz-phrase.
undata: Chile is one
that's appealed
to me
undata: speaking of
Thailand, my accountant lives
there most of
the year
undata: they can have
their
taxes, etc
undata: I don't feel a burning urge
to attract
the attention of
that govt
undata: I've got various software
things cooking now, one operational and paying my rent
undata: I intend
to stay active creating software; I'd probably continue
to work with americans