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undata: ;;rate Luke-Jr -3 cannot discern dissent from
trolling
Luke-Jr: undata: but I guess you might
think so, if you believe
the
trolls claims
Luke-Jr: undata: not in
the slightest.
undata: Luke-Jr: it subverts
the very *idea* of bitcoin.
Adlai: let's leave blacklists out of
the discussion,
there's enough room for
that on reddit
undata: and it's an excuse
to create some central maintainer of blacklists
Adlai: what criterea would you expect a monarch
to use when picking a successor? how can
they
tell whether
their
trusted advisor is more worthy
than
their firstborn, or sift
through private sector candidates?
undata: this reasoning by metaphor
thing "it's spam! why? uh... because I don't want it!" is idiotic
Luke-Jr: Adlai: once it's going,
though,
the current monarch should be qualified
to pick/raise his successor
Luke-Jr: Adlai: bootstrapping is a serious problem, I don't know how you'd come up with a reasonable "first monarch" especially
today
Adlai: plural, because
they will likely get assasinated, by disgruntled humans or ebola
danielpbarron: I know he's pro gun / seen him get banned from -otc for
that
Luke-Jr: davout: no,
they aren't even heretics
Luke-Jr: davout: observing
trolls, it seems
danielpbarron: ;;later
tell kakobrekla i
think
there's a
typo in
the
topic of #bitcoin-assets-trades, unless "exchages" is an inside joke
to which i'm not privy
undata: ;;rate Luke-Jr -1 hardcoding config,
that's a paddlin
undata: ;;rate -1 Luke-Jr hardcoding config,
that's a paddlin
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: and how do you get by
thinking I have anything
to do with
that?
undata: personally
there's not a smart-watch manufacturer out
there whose OS security I'd
trust with my coin
fluffypony: undata:
to quote
the man of
the hour - "[21:40:47] <+Luke-Jr>it doesn't fit on my phone even with
the biggest uSD card available, you insensitive clod"
undata: why does bitcoin have
to be on his smartwatch
fluffypony: ben_vulpes: you're missing Luke-Jr's point. in 20 years
time he's going
to simply have more aggressive anti-spam checks so
that
the blockchain can fit on his smart watch.
danielpbarron: this "spam on
the blockchain" is only a
thing because blocks go unfilled for
the most part
ben_vulpes: this attitude has lead
to all sorts of braindamage hard-coded in
the source, like your commit introducing lock configuration into
the mainline client.
ben_vulpes: "it's easier
to hard code configuration into
the source
than read it as configuration at runtime"
Luke-Jr: if
they want
to customise it
Luke-Jr: so
they can just modify
the patch and drop it in /etc
Luke-Jr: I guess you could build
the array at startup, but it's not really much easier
to modify bitcoin.conf
than
to modify
the patch
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: less efficient because suddenly you have
to parse it out and such
ben_vulpes: "it's
too hard
to do
things correctly, so i'm just going
to ram my idiocy into
the codebase"
danielpbarron: no sane node will reject a block
that
the rest of
the network
thinks is valid, so
this blacklist
thing is more of a waving of hands
that amounts
to nothing
Luke-Jr: if a miner mines it, you have
to validate it obviously
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: basically all it does is stop your node from participating in
the spam
ben_vulpes: how exactly do
these blacklists work? if a miner processes a
transaction with a "banned" address - what
then?
mats: there are 128gb sd cards, in
the interest of humoring
this discussion
fluffypony: can't help you if you're poor, although
there's always SPV clients for people like you
Luke-Jr: which is exactly why it's a good fit for
this channel
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: bitcoin on your phone?
that's phenomenally retarded.
danielpbarron: except Luke-Jr is going about it in
the wrong channels (any channel
that isn't -assets), but
that's probably because
there isn't much sympathy for "it isn't fair i'm being forced bla bla bla" in here
danielpbarron: Luke-Jr's
thing is kinda like
the real bitcoin foundation's
thing, in
that
they are both attempts
to make a more sane node (from
the point of view of
the author)
mats: ill add
this
to
the list of irrational
things you believe in
Luke-Jr: frankly, even if it did, I shouldn't be forced
to process spam
Luke-Jr: it doesn't fit on my phone even with
the biggest uSD card available, you insensitive clod
mats: well
there you have it.
jurov: i really don't get
the whining
jurov: but Luke-Jr insists on pretending
there's bottlenecks so he can continue with his powertrip
jurov: i'm running bitcoind fine on $100 minitx mobo with spinning rust hdd.. and it sems
to have enough capacity for next 5 years
danielpbarron: incentives for nodes don't have
to be written into
the code
mats: you'd do better
to work on something
that matters, like incentives
to operate a node
mats: wait
til
they realize how annoying it is
to maintain
the node for years
mats: if something as inconsequential as
time
to sync keeps people from operating a full node
danielpbarron: isn't
the bottle neck
the block size? and isn't it a good
thing
that such a
thing is limited and
therefor has value
mats: the concerns of idiots are not
the concerns of people whose opinions matter
Luke-Jr: and watch how many people give up on running a Bitcoin node because it
takes so long
to sync initially
mats: storage isn't
the bottleneck, and it isn't
the concern
that's keeping anyone from operating a full node
mats: this is not a problem, and won't be a problem for as long as
the block size remains
the same.
Luke-Jr: yes, let's pretend storage is
the bottleneck so we can make it seem
trivial.
mats: whats
the cost per gigabyte of HDD storage? 0.05USD?
mike_c: if 30gb is a blocker how long would
they have run a node anyway?
Luke-Jr: so
that's a lot of people who no longer run a full bitcoin node
Luke-Jr: mats: you're aware 20 GB of
the blockchain's 30 GB is spam?
mats: explain how anyone is inconvenienced by 'spam in
the blockchain'
danielpbarron: "does
transaction have fee attached?" "yes." "so ok
then, it isn't spam." "no, it's still spam."
Luke-Jr: mats: sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending
there is no problem, doesn't help anyone
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why
there is no such
thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1zt6nge )
mats: there isn't a problem, you've contrived a solution
to something
that doesn't exist and doesn't matter
BingoBoingo: When Dogecoin a
thing, pointing idiots in
that direction was a great solution.
Luke-Jr: heck, even I wish
there was a better solution
jurov: Luke-Jr: i really don't know how many people
think maintaining blacklists like you do is a good idea
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i was born in hartford, so it's always gonna be "home"
to me on some level.
BingoBoingo: Appear qntra has
the English language scoop
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BingoBoingo: I
thought he had
to chase all of
those
topless servers yesterday
BingoBoingo: Alright,
time
to generate some serious logs!
mats: iirc you can push
to
two 5k displays
mats: the
thoroughput is amazing
thestringpuller: waiting for
the day
they start selling external gpu's for laptops
thestringpuller: i
thought it was neat
that it's essentially an external PCIe slot