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fluffypony: asciilifeform: I fear with your efforts you're
trying
to
teach a mentally challenged child how
to interpret Chaucer...
adlai: ie, why is
the debate about blacklists, and not scalability
adlai wonders whether it's helpful
to look at
the potential attacks on bitcoin as spam
to be censored... or as a challenge
to be accepted
fluffypony: it must suck
to be universally accepted as mind-numbingly stupid and yet not have
the intelligence
to be introspective enough
to see it within yourself and change for
the better
adlai: fluffypony: hate leads
to
the usg side of
the force. just play, have fun, go home, hope you don't get mugged on
the way.
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: why? as long as it's easy
to filter spam, might as well
fluffypony: adlai: hate
the player not
the game, and all
that
adlai: fluffypony: well, Luke-Jr just said recently
that
the [current] vatican is no longer an authority on catholicism
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: no idea, maybe impossible
then
adlai: it's funny how quickly people assume
that all foes are agents of one arch-nemesis, when really just... shit happens. nature is not your friend. etc
fluffypony: Catholicism is a snare and a racket. If you're going
to have belief in a higher power, at least choose a religion
that isn't controlled by a central body with billions of USD at stake.
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: I said nothing of
the sort.
danielpbarron: "this
transaction is spam because it isn't associated with a USG approved ID and
taxed accordingly"
Luke-Jr: adlai: I had only changed it
to "extras" on request from someone in
the previous
thread
adlai: (in addition
to all of
the last hubbub)
Luke-Jr: adlai: I changed it back, since
there does seem
to be preference for "ljr" now and
the reason makes sense.
adlai: Luke-Jr:
the names of use flags.
the latest hubbub seems
to be people complaining about
the change from "ljr"
to "extra"
Luke-Jr: the only reason a rational person would disable it, is if
they wanted
to harm Bitcoin.
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: except in
this case, it's actually a good
thing and not cyanide, and you get a clear warning before you install it
BingoBoingo: Science lead dank
to living out of a storage unit...
Luke-Jr: definitely can't do
that justice, much less from
the car,
though LOL
Luke-Jr: adlai: basically I easily refuted many false religions,
then found I couldn't do
the same for Catholicism
adlai: probably
the kind
that doesn't like when patch names aren't consistent across package versions :)
adlai: Luke-Jr: i'm interested
to hear how "science led me
to
these beliefs"
adlai: that can probably be continued from
the car
Luke-Jr ponders if he can continue
this from
the car
Luke-Jr: fluffypony: nor did I ever claim
to be one
fluffypony: [22:59:44] <+Adlai>Luke-Jr:
the question still stands. how does humanity pick a monarch <- well humanity sure as fuck didn't choose Luke-Jr
to be
the Bitcoin monarch.
Luke-Jr: yet in
the end,
the Church survived
Luke-Jr: adlai: during
the Arian crisis,
there was only a few bishops who remained Catholic
Luke-Jr: adlai: God has many
times allowed heretics
to gain power - but He promised
that His Church would prevail
adlai has no assumptions about God, maybe we should define
that concept first...
adlai: why wouldn't he, as a
test,
to guage how many people are suckers, and will believe what people say from under a fancy hat or behind a pulpit?
Luke-Jr: adlai: (and if you assume God is fake,
then
there's no basis for caring about Catholicism, so
that's not really an argument)
BingoBoingo: Anyways
the legit Catholic Church historically is
the Cyproit church.
Luke-Jr: adlai: you're also ignoring divine providence - God wouldn't allow any such an attempt
to succeed
Luke-Jr: adlai: none could have changed it,
that's my point
adlai: who knows wtf happened in
the 13th century during a famine
Luke-Jr: anyhow,
the modernist antipopes can be cited as using
the heresy modernism
to justify
their other heresies
adlai: so, you're
trusting
the people involved in catholicism AT EVERY POINT IN
TIME
to not have changed it
Luke-Jr: adlai: Catholicism has always made a big deal of any attempts
to change doctrine; one couldn't do
that unnoticed
adlai: Luke-Jr: my issue with anti-modernism is
that we only really know what's modern. anybody who
tells you
that something isn't modern, and is
the original doctrine, could just have made
that up yesterday (or N years ago), and been fooling everybody ever since
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Probably because
they are delicious
cazalla: BingoBoingo, my missus makes
things like
that
kakobrekla: jborkl lack of oxygen in
the first couple of minutes of birth does
that.
Luke-Jr: jborkl: science led me
to
these beliefs
Adlai: some of
those are written, some of
those were made up yesterday; but
the situation is still
the same
jborkl: Luke, how do you understand math and science, yet still hold onto
these beliefs? I really do not understand how
that happens
Adlai: but at
the end of
the day, we are just humans interpreting
the words of other humans
BingoBoingo: Come on Guys,
there hasn't been a Pope since Brutus stabbed Kaiser
Luke-Jr: (using
that heresy,
they
then proceed
to deny other doctrines easily)
davout: Adlai:
that was
the point actually
Adlai: kakobrekla: i don't
think i've been politically correct or pretending. in case
there's any doubt, i also
think
that
there's some level of delusion involved... but i also value conversation over insult
kakobrekla: Adlai and be more political and more pretending
too
davout: Luke-Jr: how is
the current "anti-pope" not catholic?
undata: one isn't called
to entertain every form of idiocy on equal
terms
Vexual: Luke-Jr: Is it
the current one
that really annoyed you?
Adlai thinks people who
think
they aren't deluded need
to be a bit more diplomatic about
their opinions
kakobrekla: Luke-Jr i
think you need
to shut
the fuck up about
this god delusion you keep having
Luke-Jr: Adlai:
the become pope, one must first be a Catholic;
the antipopes in Rome aren't Catholic
Adlai is not well-versed in
the eligibility of
the last few [anti]popes
Adlai: have you personally verified
the burned ballots of each cardinal?
Adlai: maybe
the vatican has been a fraud for more
than 60 years
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: Christians have a responsibility
to learn
the Faith, and are guilty if deceived by
their own neglegence
Adlai: last
time I met a christian irl was almost 6 years ago
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: no Catholic churches
today follow
the antipopes;
those who do follow
the antipopes and attend his churches are at risk of being damned, yes (though as Adlai infers,
their culpability depends)
Adlai hasn't discussed
theology in a long
time, and it's usually with jews
Adlai: and if God is bad
too, let's just hope satoshi returns
Luke-Jr: undata: if
the pope is bad at
the same
time as a monarch goes bad, God help us
Adlai: so a sufficiently effective deception can cause a perfectly "good" person
to get punished?
Adlai: assuming
that, had
the deception not occurred, you'd have bene OK
danielpbarron: Luke-Jr, does
that mean all
the people attending catholic churches
today are on
their way
to hell for following a false christ?
Adlai: I'm just curious at what point one person decides
that
the mere word of another person is gospel
Adlai doesn't follow papal news well enough
to discernr
Luke-Jr: Adlai:
there hasn't been a pope in 60 years, don't let
the fraud controlling
the Vatican deceive you
undata: god help us if we need a meta-meta-pope
though.
undata: and if
the pope is bad,
the meta-pope will depose him
Adlai: although I must say
that his PR people are doing an excellent job
Adlai: well,
the pope seems a bit busy
these days
to be dealing with monarchs
Adlai: it's quite interesting
to watch people choose leaders
Luke-Jr: Adlai: in
the rare case of a bad monarch,
the pope can depose him
Adlai is genuinely curious and has very few opinions on
the matter
Adlai: Luke-Jr:
the question still stands. how does humanity pick a monarch, or conclude
that a currently serving (because it's both a privilege and a duty) monarch is incompetent, and find a better replacement?
Luke-Jr: misrepresenting
the
truth (aka lying) is a
tell-tale sign of
trolling
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