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cazalla: not sure outdated is
the right word, what my parents did wouldn't fly
these days
cazalla: i dunno, i know fuck all about economics, i just compare how people i went
to school with are doing compared
to my parents (1 income, 1 stay at home mum)
Vexual: you
think
they might put
the bank rate up?
cazalla: concern of
the report is diminishing amount of people
to
tax, young people work more and more and yet won't ever own
their own home and
that
this unspoken agreement
that we pay for
the eldery so
that
the young pay for us when old is going
to break down
cazalla: been meaning
to write it up but get side
tracked with alcohol
cazalla: didya read
that wealth of generations report
that came out? first
time in our history
that .au citizens
take more from
the gov
than
they contribute
Vexual: if it all goes wrong ill be catching lemon sharks and selling
the fins
Vexual: woodsides buying up all
the us failings, chinas buying aussie goodness, it'll all work out
Vexual: i
think we're sitting pretty for
the economy
to solve
Vexual: yeah, you gotta be mining for
that
to work
cazalla: mebe
they'll introduce a new
time of mining
tax
Vexual: mining
tax
turns into a mining subsidy
cazalla: how can
they run out, just print more
Vexual: people star running outta centrelink,
the cannbis laws wont matter a pinch of shut
cazalla: i don't
think it matters who holds
them
Vexual: depends whos holding
the reigns i guess
cazalla: dunno, i imagine
they'll allow it in due
time for
tax rev, god knows
they'll need new sources
Vexual: has shorten
talked about cannabis cazalla?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I mean we have people apparently paying
to send spam now!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nobody. We have so much less
than we used
to have. We are in
the future and
the future is a nightmare.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol, so much price masturbation. So much "this is what we have now basically" when now
they get even less.
Luke-Jr: (I didn't ask what
the other
thing he considered controversial was, sorry)
Luke-Jr: someone on reddit complained
that I should only do 1 controversial
thing at a
time, implying
there is something else you can FUD about already if you want
to
assbot: TIL
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undata: mats: I just want
this garbage in here for when Luke-Jr pulls something else
Luke-Jr: no, you've claimed I am saying
things
totally unrelated
to what i actually said
mats: this has been rehashed
three
times now
undata: Luke-Jr: where have I misrepresented you? I've merely
taken what I've dragged out of you in pages and
thrown it back in lines.
Luke-Jr: undata:
the only one lying here is you
undata: Luke-Jr: you're just demonstrating yourself a liar, which makes me
trust you as blacklist-lord less.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No... If I get
the
time
though I might have
to visit eBay...
danielpbarron: 12:07 <+Luke-Jr> danielpbarron: "spam" and "fee" have no direct relationship << yes
they do. if I spend an old output, no fee required; i spend a new output with no fee,
tx doesn't get spread
Luke-Jr: [05:04:25] <Luke-Jr> undata:
there you go putting words in my mouth again
undata: you are
the sole decider re: blacklisting, and you should be
trusted
assbot: An HP 95LX, 200LX, and OmniBook 300 running
the same prime factors program in GW-BASIC. For
those of you
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undata: Luke-Jr: any child could draw
the conclusions I am from what you've said
Luke-Jr: undata:
there you go putting words in my mouth again
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: lol, most of us are opposed
to larger block sizes at
the current
time.
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: actually,
the "core devs" are
trying
to push all sorts of dumb shit on people. larger block sizes are on
that list.
danielpbarron: Luke-Jr, how can a
transaction be "spam" when it pays a fee?
Luke-Jr: defaulting
to
the reference policy is also a default. are you going
to claim it's "core devs" pushing
that on people?
undata: Luke-Jr: what mental gymnastics do you use
to define a blacklist?
Luke-Jr: undata:
there you go putting words in my mouth again
undata: you
think it's sensible for you
to say who does and does not
transact on
the blockchain
ben_vulpes: how is
that not pushing your opinions on
the MO of bitcoin onto gentoo users?
Luke-Jr: and most of
the users happen
to agree
Luke-Jr: the "core devs" don't even want
to.
undata: folks we've got a decider in
the house.
Luke-Jr: the maintainer of
the package always decides what is a sensible default.
undata: you decided your patch was a sensible default,
though
the "core devs" did not
Luke-Jr: yes, and
they're still defaults
undata: default use flags are understood
to be ... defaults
Luke-Jr: undata: nothing in Gentoo is like
that
undata: "here's
the package in good faith
that it's what
the writers did"
undata: which is
the expectation of what a *maintainer* does
ben_vulpes: except he doesn't have
the courtesy
to keep his braindamage on his own machines.
danielpbarron: he doesn't have
the right or ability
to effect such a change;
that's not
the issue
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Paying for a
transaction is literally
the definition of not spam.
undata: Luke-Jr: you are avoiding addressing
the deeper question of whether *you* have
the right
to decide for
the whole network what constitutes spam
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo:
tx fees != non-spam
danielpbarron: "filling??" when was
the last
time
there was a full block?
ben_vulpes: how is it garbage
to send small amounts of bitcoin around?
ben_vulpes: please, at least, link
to
the point in
the log where you explained how
these small
transactions are a ddos.
Luke-Jr: it denies service, by filling
the blockchain with garbage
Luke-Jr: it's distributed, by using gambling as a front
to get others
to cover
the expense
undata: Luke-Jr: your explanations
to date have little content worth repeating
ben_vulpes: this one i've yet
to hear an answer
to.
Luke-Jr: I get
tired of repeating myself.
undata: because like, lots of
traffic, and I don't want it... ?
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron:
the gambling front is just a way
to get someone else paying
the cost of bypassing Bitcoin's primary spam prevention (tx fees)
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron:
they're not
the victims
danielpbarron: a DDoS in which
the victims are compelled
to... gamble?
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: who said Bitcoin was doomed? Bitcoin has
this nice system of miners
to address
the spam problem.
Luke-Jr: it's a DDoS, except at
the Bitcoin layer rather
than
TCP
Luke-Jr: terrorists would have
to cause
terror
Luke-Jr: the "game" is just a
tool
they use
to involve others
undata: Luke-Jr:
they're
terrorists eh?
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform:
they're not games,
they're attacks on Bitcoin
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: heh, some of
them came out and said "stop us" when confronted - so …
Luke-Jr: I am on
the defensive, not
the offensive.