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PeterL: and you loose some sense of the timing when you read the logs
asciilifeform: why does this need to happen in split-second parcels?
PeterL: there is some benefit to seeing what is happening now, in reaction to events going on
mike_c: idk, I think it's fine that we let them talk when they are actual people. how are they to become actual people if they can't listen?
PeterL: and we assume the ddoser is outside the l2?
mike_c: PeterL: my understanding is anyone who enters uncloaked, thereby flashing their IP, get ddos'd by the fucktarded bot that is lurking in here.
asciilifeform: PeterL: idea is that the idler parked here by mr ddos will die.
mike_c: Luke-Jr: they smell funny too
PeterL: so if an uncloaked noob comes by, asks for voice and gets let in, then they will be ddossed?
asciilifeform: beyond 'let me drool in this here bowl'
Luke-Jr: mike_c: you realise the regulars/admins here are insane?
asciilifeform: mike_c: idea was, we let them in when they are actual people with an actual reason for wanting in
mike_c: the solution being, we lock them out.
mike_c: and the problem we are trying to solve here is that uncloaked noobs might get ddos'd.
PeterL: hands don't help much if you don't know where to put them
Luke-Jr: funny how I'm falsely accused of censorship, and the reaction here is to censor me ;)
asciilifeform: '... and they vote!'
asciilifeform: what a sad thing that they did not die.
asciilifeform: tches, led to the nearly fatal overnight stay.'
asciilifeform: 'However, the door doesn’t automatically unlock when the interior handle is pulled—and therein lay the problem for the Smiths. According to the Times, the couple had been led to believe by their Mazda dealership that the key fob was the only way to unlock the doors; this mistaken impression, coupled with the fact that the vehicle was parked in their garage and that it was apparently too dark to clearly see the interior swi
mike_c: ok, I am a reporter for NYT, I have to do same dance?
asciilifeform: mike_c: banner points you to www log. then pm of the folks appearing therein.
mike_c: so I am an angry bitbet customer, and I want to come here for help. how do I get in if it is invite-only?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It takes time for assbot to update the rectum
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user luke-jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=luke-jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=luke-jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2014 21:34:38; Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: that would make sense; people seem to assume something monumentally stupid is worthless, but in practice it isn't.
assbot: New Zealand couple manages to lock themselves in keyless car for 13 hours | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcwsWl )
undata_: anyhow I don't want to rehash it.
undata_: Luke-Jr: I accept that your intent is to "do good"
Luke-Jr: btw, in case you didn't notice, I go out of my way to prevent any unwitting
Luke-Jr: it doesn't force you to unmerge stuff either, and should notify you when there's an update being masked
Luke-Jr: just add to /etc/portage/package.mask
Luke-Jr: don't need an overlay to do that
undata_: Luke-Jr: they will if I mask your turds
Luke-Jr: undata_: overlays won't do that
undata_: Luke-Jr: no, to be sure when I emerge sync I don't unwittingly have more of your decisions foisted upon me
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: kakobrekla doesn't troll, he works hard for his cookies. No boat required.
Luke-Jr: undata_: lol, just to change USE flag?
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: kakobrekla is the one trolling :p
undata_: heh I am totally making a bitcoin overlay as a weekend project btw
kakobrekla: yes troll
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Staph trolling!!!
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: then none of you could either
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user luke-jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=luke-jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=luke-jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011
kakobrekla: PeterL we just need to make it complicated enough so Luke-Jr doesnt figure it out.
PeterL: so the change to voicing you are suggesting, we now need to join something like #bitcoin-otc, then auth with gribble, then we can join #bitcoin-assets, then we still need to pm assbot '!up'?
kakobrekla: is there some override for invite for ops?
BingoBoingo: Oh, the dollar is crashing today! Against the Phillipine Peso!
PeterL: you are trying to make it more complicated?
asciilifeform doesn't grasp how this makes anything more secure
kakobrekla: afaik it is suppose to be a securitah feature and i dunno where nano stands on that.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Yeah, I discovered that yesterday.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol, toy os users only
BingoBoingo: Though the first definition was probably offered by the time of my birth.
BingoBoingo: Seems hsitorically this was a "Sundown Town"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, given the height of the post and its location in SOuthern Illinois, probably the latter.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: reference to 'oregon trail' colonists, or to breaking on the wheel ?
BingoBoingo remembers for the longest time in childhood the hometown having a metal wagon wheel fascimile supported on a post in the town square
asciilifeform: el coronel no tiene quien le escriba, полковнику никто не пишет, полковника никто не ждет.
BingoBoingo: [censored] all of the keys
asciilifeform: (soon i must go and [censored] and someone must take over!)
BingoBoingo: I think having had a GPG key fingerprint on an MPEx listed contract is the rough equivalent of a commision so asciilifeform at the worst you are probaby a captain by now.
asciilifeform: at least for this thread.
asciilifeform: seems that, in his absence, i'm filling in for him in role as 'cruel sargeant for n00bs'
BingoBoingo: Everyone needs to eat their vegetables from time to time though
kakobrekla: i think the main issue is he wont be able to take credit.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if mp likes n00bs, then let's see if he agrees that this should make their ordeal more rational (if not lighter) than it is currently.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It depends on the kind of restaurant. I am pretty sure some restaurants would be intolerable if it wasn't for heavy smoking.
undata_: asciilifeform: heh, point taken.
asciilifeform: i'm not sure whether the fact of something being planted in an 'eyes' country or not is even interesting. it's like the old saw about how a smoking section in a restaurant is quite like a pissing section in swimming pool.
kakobrekla: mp is gonna be pissed if we do this.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you probably know, but this is not the only problem with fleanode.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, there are ideas. If a new network popped up parachute would be likely. Seems though that the root of current problem is freenode baring IPs and lacking any controling entity that could be convinced to do otherwise.
decimation: freenode seems to attract folks like mr. spam
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but if you want to contribute a box or two for a 'parachute' network for #b-a, don't let this stop you
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we're discussing perhaps a ~1kb patch to kako's bot, rather than a serious project
BingoBoingo: Seems whole new IRC network is the solution instead of arguing freenode +i vs. +m conventions
asciilifeform: '!down' ought to suffice
kakobrekla: well you manually invite a 'new guy' take the chance it doesnt work out, you need some means to get rid of it?
asciilifeform: i'm almost sorry i mentioned it, now folks will expect it to exist
asciilifeform: but this is not a published gadget, and should not be regarded as proof - or even suggestion - of anything in particular.
asciilifeform: decimation: if you give a damn, it was called - on my own machine, which at present, is the only place it exists - 'kapelle'
decimation: asciilifeform: I guess I missed the name, what is it?
asciilifeform: if he merely wants to listen - straight to www log.
asciilifeform: n00b should be expected to say at least a complete sentence re: why he should be let in to talk
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they are not necessarily to be refused, but there ought to be slightly higher expectations of work for the n00b to do in order to merit invite
kakobrekla: which i think you meant was to be refused
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: how many of these we get now ?
kakobrekla: what i meant was "pls invite" pms that would follow
asciilifeform: the observation that, on account of the log existing, we don't need human idlers for anything at all, was correct
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: too much work << wouldn't it be approximately a one-liner? add to +i list upon voicing by assbot, remove when logged off / devoiced ?
BingoBoingo: AH, only longterm solution seems to be an ircd foundation
decimation: I thought cloak fails were associated with users who aren't sasl authed
BingoBoingo: Well, sometimes assbot has downtime too. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: TomServo: THese things happen
asciilifeform: incidentally, what do we need unvoiced users for at all? noobs can find the log www, and figure out who to pm from it
kakobrekla: nah pretty much everything these days has 'autorejoin' option
decimation: is it possible to 'hook' ChanServ to intercept joins before they happen?
asciilifeform: i like the idea of nuking drooling idlers who have no visible purpose
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no. that just relocates the roaches, not kills.