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decimation: calculators don't help you cheat much on a three question engineering exam where you show full work
asciilifeform: decimation: calculator is a kind of child's 'security blanket' (psychiatric term of art)
decimation: asciilifeform: that was how much undergrad was
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The AP-Calc AB test. There was a class training for it, but the local recommendation was anything TI preferably 83. I read and saw -89 with the CAS and decided fuck that.
asciilifeform: decimation: there is a tradition in u.s. schools where folks can bring calculators to exams where they are known to be of no use
decimation: yeah it would be interesting to know about a test that allows ti-89
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what test ?
BingoBoingo: The first time...
BingoBoingo got TI-89 soley because of test policy
decimation: well, it kinda does stack oriented calculation, but isn't a fully programmable calc like the -48
asciilifeform: of what is the 33/35s a dumber version ?
decimation: HP has recently conspired with the 'testing' folks to create a dumbed-down 'modern' version: http://ncees.org/exams/calculator-policy/
asciilifeform: 16c vanished with the age of programming-on-paper.
decimation: the annoying thing to me (growing up on a -48) was that the 16 only displayed one stack element at a time
decimation: was that the one that was popular with the finance types?
asciilifeform: its very existence presumes that people program on paper, far from a computer
asciilifeform: the history of the 16c is interesting, imho
decimation: it's pretty much the most lispy calc ever made
asciilifeform: and the never-delay-after-keypress
decimation: holy crap they go for like $100-300
asciilifeform: i actually like the simplicity of it
decimation: or you just find the hp collectors amusing?
asciilifeform: can then buy a crate full of ti
asciilifeform ought to sell his hp-16c
BingoBoingo: decimation: Poettering is why horses invented the wagon wheel
BingoBoingo: And then I sold it for booze money freshman year of college
decimation: sadly hp has denegrated the proud hp line
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah. I liked it too
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo had a ti-89 ?
PeterL: "but that is how we have always done programming!"
asciilifeform: or there'd be no talk of google or arsebook etc. taking it up
undata predicts there will just be drivers that establish one part of ram as a ramdisk
asciilifeform: the real boojum is that c/unix/von neumann crapolade cannot abide the constraint of never-reboot.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Palm V and I have great memories. My only regret is that PalmV and TI-89 never traded the best of their aspects
decimation: but that's not multi-threaded!
PeterL: "In particular, the company needs to perfect a new form of computer memory based on an electronic component called a memristor" << so, they just need to figure out how to make the core feature work, then they are all set!
asciilifeform: as if this were enough to be interesting.
decimation: asciilifeform: whether it is this or another thing, the difference between filesystems and memory will soon be abolished
asciilifeform: decimation: not hybrid, if their literature is to be believed, but rather a 'flash' fast and durable enough to substitute for dram entirely
BingoBoingo would like to rip all of the memory out of "The Machine" and air drop it to asciilifeform in 2010 with a duffelbag full of money
decimation: I think they developed some kind of persistant hybrid ram/flash storage
asciilifeform: i don't care if it's made out of unicorn tears.
asciilifeform: ^ c/unix/extant turdolade
asciilifeform: 'His team aims to complete an operating system designed for The Machine, called Linux++...'
BingoBoingo: undata: Yeah, they labeled their thing "The Machine"
assbot: HP Will Release a “Revolutionary” New Operating System in 2015 | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1C66GRJ )
asciilifeform: decimation: i'll take mr spam's word re: him having been paid to vandalize #b-a rather than -otc
PeterL: people who matter are here, not there?
asciilifeform: decimation: i can't picture forgoing a cockroach repellent simply because it may move the roaches to your neighbour
decimation: seems like there would be more likely targets there
decimation: although one wonders why mr. spam targets this channel instead of -otc
asciilifeform: let's see what mircea thinks when he gets back from his atomic dirigible voyage or wherever
PeterL: and it will not be an extra step to rate people when he makes the changes he suggested
decimation: ultimately this could just move the problem to #bitcoin-otc or something
asciilifeform: 'we do not go through weird gymnastics on account of terrorists' or the like
asciilifeform: but i imagine some of the folks here would be annoyed
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: this would not require nanotube making any change to gribble, but would add an annoying extra step of having to auth a second time for rating
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: and opening the gates using it
asciilifeform: other nice thing about signed packets is that it no longer matters where they came from.
asciilifeform: easiest to move to custom si.
asciilifeform: decimation: you're entirely correct that this will eventually be a thing, though. hence the need for stateless, single-packet auth hellos.
decimation: what if mr. spam learns the ip of a friend?
decimation: what 'handle' are you going to use for banning? ip address?
asciilifeform: no actual human transmits $maxint whatevers from a single ip per second/hour/etc
decimation: I suspect the crypto would need to be done on an fpga
decimation: asciilifeform: agreed, but it might be impractical. consider a 'firewall' that is checking mr spam's packets all day
PeterL: yes, and so you will no longer have to auth with gribble, just assbot
asciilifeform: afaik this was probably obvious to everyone from the start.
PeterL: lol, I can't read and type at the same time
PeterL: (or just send a signed rating message once that gets implemented)
PeterL: then once you are in you can auth with gribble too if you need to update any ratings
asciilifeform: then, if you want to rate, still have to auth with gribble again though
PeterL: auth to assbot in a pm, that gives you voice?
asciilifeform: iirc someone suggested this
asciilifeform: actually it'd have to be encrypted, or mitm vector.
decimation: ah well who generates the signed message? gribble?
decimation: ah, but then assbot would need a 'hot key'
decimation: how do we know that pastebin's 'bins' are immutable?
asciilifeform: hardwired dependence on pastebin then ?
asciilifeform: to the extent it makes sense to do it
asciilifeform: so as to have the ui we are accustomed to
nanotube: use pastebin to pass a signed message to the bot. assbot can just grab the user database on a regular basis to keep current.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the correct way to use it would be to have a proggy emulate an irc server and connect ordinary client to it
asciilifeform: and even if there were, it would be unsuitable for safety-critical signatures (e.g., wot ratings)
asciilifeform: decimation: right now there is no ready mechanism (except in my experiment, described earlier) for pronouncing ephemeral ('hot', machine-readable) keys for rapid signing
decimation: and it would eliminate most of the dependence on freenode infrastructure
decimation: but at least it would be a step in the right direction
decimation: well, yeah that part would be annoying
PeterL: decimation: how to sign messages in irc client?
asciilifeform: weirdo protocol that would only by happenstance operate over irc
asciilifeform: separate auth to assbot would work, but how to feed through wot ?
nanotube: PeterL: indeed that is correct.
PeterL: nanotube: I don't think the change I am suggesting would require any change of gribble, just adding a separate auth to assbot
nanotube: well, i hope it works. i'd be curious to see.
asciilifeform: and therefore functions predictably and perhaps in some way constructively.
asciilifeform: nanotube: my suggestion was to expel the enemy with an only slightly less annoying mechanism that is at least controlled by actual people, and not by spamming scum
asciilifeform: nanotube: let's look from another angle. right now, noobs are virtually banned from #b-a. but the ban is enforced by a hooligan, not by any of us
nanotube: PeterL: still way too early to worry about it though :)
decimation: and if he managed to make it on, he would be identified by the brains of those on the channel and quickly kicked
asciilifeform: nanotube: if he can do this, he deserves to be here.