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adlai: mircea_popescu: ever
thought you'd find yourself leading
the charge for higher
taxation? :P
davout: adlai: what BigBitz was saying is
that an optic fiber isn't a proper airgap, which i concurred with saying
that
the idea of
the airgap is definitely not
to have some sort of permanent connection like ethernet over optical fiber should such a
thing exist
adlai: with
the economic issues
that arise from optimizing a
tax system
adlai: blocksize limit +
tx fees as
the
taxation apparatus of bitcoin's decentralized regulatory body
adlai: somewhere...
there was a comparison of
this
to
the laffer curve
adlai tends
to avoid apologies although misunderstandings can lead
to lots of strife so
they're worth avoiding
kakobrekla: but on
that i
think we are still way under limit.
kakobrekla: imo
the blockchain size would ideally be set so
that we get most
tx fees.
the answer
to
that is not simple.
adlai: don't
tell me what not
to do!
adlai: davout, decimation, i know you guys understand
this, i
think i understand it,
the person who seemet
to be confused is BigBitz
decimation: adlai: my point being
that one can physically disconnect a link end, if one wishes
to prevent
two-way
transfer
mircea_popescu: davout it's a very hard problem
this, spying on light.
davout: benjamindees: inflation of block space supply doesn't count as inflation
to you?
mircea_popescu: just, it will work out my way. not mtgox's way, not pirate's way, not reddit's way or
the forum's way or vessenes' way
davout: mircea_popescu: i agree, it's a difference in degree not in kind
though
davout: adlai: ethernet-over-fiber being merely
the image of 'unsupervised permanently connected automatic optical
transmission device'
benjamindees: mircea_popescu, lol, okay, listen I
think you're over-reacting a bit. It'll work out.
decimation: adlai: generally 1000Base-LX or similar have a physical laser for
transmitting and some kind of photodetector for receive
adlai leaves dead horses
to rot
mircea_popescu: adlai
that bet doesn't measure "successful" was discussed before, and i said "well, yeah, but it's better
to err
this way, give
the bet a chance"
adlai: the point, if i follow correctly, is
to establish a channel for conveying specific data across
the airgap, as opposed
to ethernet-over-fiber, which would defeat
the purpose of
the airgap
mircea_popescu: where originally
the occasional noob might be something people want
to help, if
there's a lot of
them
that well will be run dry. which is what happened in 1993.
kakobrekla: "is a hardfork successful" < since
this is bb, hf successful only if mp submits.
mircea_popescu: if suddenly
there's a lot of noobs here,
there'll be an inflaiton of noobs.
mircea_popescu: benjamindees inflation is
the increase in
the supply. whatever it is.
davout: BigBitz: "do you even network bro." <<<
the point is precisely not
to
BigBitz: There is no such
thing as optical ethernet.
adlai is just pointing out possible corner cases in
the wording, and
that it's not measuring exactly "is a hardfork successful"
davout: because if you manage
to put some microphone somewhere and sniff audio, nothing
theoretically prevents you from sniffing optic signal leaks as well, guess it all depends on
the implementation specfics
davout: i don't
think sound is inherently flawed, as long as you are in a controlled environment
benjamindees: inflation is an increase in
the money supply, of course
jurov: adlais so
the issue is not about cockchain.info publishing or not? i'm confused now
mircea_popescu: BigBitz optics as
the element
that goes over
the airgap. rather
than sound.
benjamindees: I agree
that perhaps some people might secretly like
to continue block rewards forever
davout: BigBitz: yeah sure, but ethernet-over-optical-fiber isn't really
the idea
benjamindees: well, I was under
the impression it was quite a bit, but I may have missed some
things
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 17:20:51; *: kakobrekla has a serial cable with a buffer with visual confirmation of
the data and it does not need
to be plugged
to both computers at same
time
mircea_popescu: benjamindees how much of
this discussion have you read ?
benjamindees: Mircea, no one is going
to inflate Bitcoin... where do you get
that idea?
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 17:15:59; mircea_popescu:
the correct airgap solution is optics.
kakobrekla: this 'this foundation can and
the other cant' i very arbitrary except for one being 'us' and one 'them'.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin does not do
that, specifically, and so yeah, pack it and get lost.
mircea_popescu: but
that;'s because you were expecting
to defraud
the faith others put in bitcoin by inflating it.
mircea_popescu: yeah, get lost. obviously bitcoin HAS NO VALUE
TO YOU,
mircea_popescu: "If
the community can't hardfork
today we could stop using bitcoin now and look for
the better suited alt coin. If bitcoin can't fork-update it has no value."
mircea_popescu: it's an attempt of unrelated
third parties
to run away with bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: a hard fork
that's not been ok'd by
the bitcoin foundation (the real one, not vessenes' scam) is automatically an issue fort
the obvious reason :
mircea_popescu: gavin does NOT have
the authority
to create a hard fork.
mircea_popescu: i was
thinking more along
the lines of a publicly accessible splitter service
jurov: would be quite a perk for mpex users... "liquidate" positions according
to last month report and allow
to withdraw all
the gigacoin
mircea_popescu: there never was a hard fork before.
the march event was an observed fork which was resolved by abandoning
the new chain.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if you mean
todd's comment, he is correct.
adlai: there are butts,
this is not how
the bet is worded... but
this is
the pot calling
the kettle empty
jurov: "is
the gigablock visible on bc.i?" "yes but.." "not but"
jurov: adlai actually if bc.i serves both
then it will be YES
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decimation: adlai: are you going
to
try
to speak lojban?
adlai goes back
to studying lojban
adlai: oh,
this wording also leaves unspecified what happens if bc.i serve up both chains
adlai can see himself holding opposite sides of such bets, depending on
the exact
timing of shenanigans
adlai: a better phrasing might
talk about
the block size of
the highest difficulty chain at
the resolution date
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size
to increase in 2015 :: 0.03 B (3%) on Yes, 1.07 B (97%) on No | closing in 10 months 1 week| weight: 97`257 (100`000
to 1) ... (
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assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 19:18:11; danielpbarron: .@aantonop Being banned by Reddit is almost as worse as @rogerkver not being allowed in
the US
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thestringpuller: cazalla:
this is my proposed edit (place at bottom of article)
cazalla: thestringpuller, sure, just need
to get a few cuppas into me, look at all
this drama i've woken up
to because of you!
thestringpuller: cazalla: i'll submit revision
to article if we can vet what he's saying.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 00:31:00; asciilifeform: 2 yrs. ago i figured out how
to flex a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically.
assbot: Btw, we are actually working on a charger
that automatically moves out from
the wall & connects like a solid metal snake. For realz.
jurov: or you plan
to sell
them all yourself?
jurov: mircea_popescu: when
the fork hits
the fan, will you allow us
to withdraw our part of gavincoins from mpex?
mircea_popescu: maybe because a pimp's essentially an actor playing
the cuckold role, i dunno.
mircea_popescu: there's something about
that market
that always selects for ineptitude
mircea_popescu: heh. airbnb is good, and
the cab
thing is good, but
this is bad.
the difference ?
mircea_popescu: Confirmed
total: 21122 BTC sheeit it crossed 20kdidn't evne notice.
mircea_popescu: and as
to
the question of "how was gavin
turned",
the answer is obvious : cultural immersion. he happens
to be part of
the problem, much like if you put ximenez in charge of
the supreme court you'll get burnings at
the stake out of
the legal process irrespective what
the laws say.
mircea_popescu: this directly dovetails into
the "going around naked holding just
the handles of missing suitcases,
telling each other stories about wonderous wardrobes" point discussed earlier.
mircea_popescu: that should
tomorrow
tide agree
to rebrand its detergent as "bitcoin",
then it will be okay if
there's n omore bitcoin. because bitcoin has no identity but is merely a name, and since
the empty name is "more widely used"
the project is nominally "more successful"
mircea_popescu: the way "embrace, extend and extinguish" is dressed up in foundation/power ranger internal communication is, "to maximize bitcoin
the ideal approach is
to not define bitcoin any particular way".
this neatly matches
their refusal
to specify
the protocol, and its direct implication is