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asciilifeform: it's rather like to say 'sailors, they fear krakens' 'mmno? what century yer posting from?'
mircea_popescu: but last night's fairytales inform this morning's breakfast design!
mircea_popescu: guess what -- people in the 70s hadn't.
mircea_popescu: or the foundation. or everywhere you turn in the 70s literate production.
asciilifeform: in order to suffer from it, afaik it is necessary to have never worked at any length with actual comp.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't say i have ever encountered this phobia outside of the yudkowsky/reddit/etc weirdos
mircea_popescu: Ask him why he thinks he should be able to get away with unsafe code, core dumps, viruses, buffer overruns, undetected errors, etc, just because he wants “speed”. << "i asked him, he shrugged his shoulders and went 'well, at least my machine won't fucking take over the world.'"
mircea_popescu: this may then explain "insane" choices such as boggle naggum.
mircea_popescu: look at the fetlife girls as the finest example.
mircea_popescu: it's certainly evident in period napkin notations (because yes, stuff like asimov's productions are "the napkin doodles of scientific work") ; and strictly speaking there is exactly no difference between "sentient machine" and "metastable strange". that's exactly what sentience fucking is, metastable strange.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 05:31 mircea_popescu: what's not being discussed is the problem of space debris. but yes, unsurprisingly enough and predictably enough the end result of "people can now go to space" was "earth now looks like a ball of burata looks once the mold can '''go to space'''. ie, surrounded by a skirting of debris,"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880894 << thinking of this and the whole sns/hp nonstop etc thing : i suspect a large chunk of the way things went may be driven by a (naive, and not necessarily spoken) "what if machine becomes sentient and you cant' turn it off" phobia. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i think her situation is rather typical.
mircea_popescu: this whole "mate within age group" thing the anglos got going is really hurting them.
mircea_popescu: i expect it's another dazed twenty-something.
BingoBoingo: Damn "passed time" time stamping. Though for a second there was a 51 year old cuck involved
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dcTLv/?raw=true << sample "makes it". they do exist, just, the english speaking world readily approximates as a small townstead drowned in an ocean's worth of inexplicably voluble & outspoken krill.
mircea_popescu: not 10%. >90% of them about evenly split between the indolent imbecility of silence and aggressive stupidity of the "wut".
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/reports-anti-macron-french-increasingly-compliant-as-tyrants-gendarmies-intensify-anti-civilian-violence/ << Qntra -- Reports: Anti-Macron French Increasingly Compliant As Tyrant's Gendarmies Intensify anti-Civilian Violence
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: approx what % pass the 'omfg it's cut off' litmus ?
mircea_popescu: aaand just in case anyone was missing these, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0NV4h/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: that thickness will filter out signal.
asciilifeform: on 2nd thought, will still produce rubbish, from those very same grazing reflects.
asciilifeform: suppose cassette sat in trough of pb, 2cm or so in thickness. ( i.e. only path for photon onto paper, is through the $object )
asciilifeform: ( believe or not, this is an actual problem for folx keeping stockpile of photopaper, it fogs even without 'sunbathe' , from background gamma . which is likely why scheme wouldn't work.)
mircea_popescu: (you don't have detectors that fine, you'll get 8 months' worth of noise. but anyway.)
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally what you want is 8 months sunbathing for your bolix.
asciilifeform: btw gedankenexperiment -- given patience, and a rigid, immovable photo subject (e.g. pcb) , can take radiogram... without tube. ( sun. a la the 'erase uv eprom without eraser' method ) . by my napkin calc, 8 or so months of film cassette on rooftop oughta produce an image..
asciilifeform: if they'd watched it glitter from 100m, would've lived, lol
mircea_popescu: right ? buncha moron/anal princesses discovered the ultimate precious stones.
mircea_popescu: no fucking way, we so keked at the blue jool powder
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was in trilema piece
asciilifeform: my particular setup ( and yes have 1 from ~last~ time this came up ) has somewhat opposite problem of 'shoot self and bystanders' -- it aint a dental kit, but surplus tube the size of finger, orig . was used to measure thickness of au on glass sinter
mircea_popescu: it's a thing. when you're going "meh, ima use a dental kit" you're being one kinda lulzy. when you're going "a-ha, ima make xray out of old tv tube and camera sensor" you're being ANOTHER kind.
asciilifeform: ( the only kind there is, in that spectrum, sadly, or we'd have microscope )
mircea_popescu: there's also the what to discard, what not to have in there at all (yes there's such a thing as xray mirror, also some plastics are no good, and so on).
asciilifeform: there's the keV vs mm of xyz penetration curve etc.
mircea_popescu: do me a favour and read "x ray hygiene" as a thing, it's not a one liner.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 05:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880900 << i won't even be esp. disappointed if result is that the sitters-on-tapes pull heads out of collective arse and post the goods ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 05:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880841 << if you do, follow hygiene correctly. xraying not unlike ye olde metal foundry technician's job.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you'd want to coat it in luminophore, prolly
a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 00:35 asciilifeform: incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880867 << dude just how junkwars are you gonna get lmao. there's a special die, similar in principle, but diff materials, wtf. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 22:58 asciilifeform: ( didn't exist ~5y ago when i last contemplated doing all of this )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 22:53 asciilifeform: ( and really dun need dram at all, the drams on the daughterboard are all connected through period auto-refresher ic that presents as a sram )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880848 << honestly taking the dram out of it entirely major simplificatory cut of great gain. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 22:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma prolly end up xraying with own hands, i dun trust heathen derps with the jools
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880841 << if you do, follow hygiene correctly. xraying not unlike ye olde metal foundry technician's job. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: because "people" aren't a thing, it's a catchall phrase including anything and everything, and mostly nothing by mass.
mircea_popescu: what's not being discussed is the problem of space debris. but yes, unsurprisingly enough and predictably enough the end result of "people can now go to space" was "earth now looks like a ball of burata looks once the mold can '''go to space'''. ie, surrounded by a skirting of debris," ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it all started with the gps -- there, MUST have multiple sats for multiple positions. but "if there -- everywhere", so now the method is "just launch seven".
a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 19:33 asciilifeform: reportedly items like this are being orbited , as cost-saving measure in place of ye olde saphire semiconductors. but there's ~nuffin publicly written re just how built.
asciilifeform: do i have to write own log bot nao on top of errything else ?
asciilifeform bbl : off to maffs room for ~3rd~ rewrite of ch14...
danielpbarron: yeah, darwin split from grace comminity baptist, and al soto split from darwin's thing
asciilifeform: could've sworn there was sumthing re a schism
danielpbarron: maybe you are looking for this http://danielpbarron.com/2018/show-me-the-light-by-all-means-but-later/
danielpbarron: huh? i am part of "a true church" -- idk where you got the idea i left
danielpbarron: the idea that Christ died only for the elect, rather than for the entire world
danielpbarron: but calvinism promotes the false doctrine of limited attonement
danielpbarron: the best explaination is linked in that article, http://www.atruechurch.info/calvinarmin.html
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: plox to expand then, what do we get when we xor danielpbarron's no-free-wills with calvin
danielpbarron: me? no, calvinism leads to hell
asciilifeform: very much an open q tho.
asciilifeform: incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray.. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the item can then be used as fairly compact instrument to probe behaviour of the chip vs. the old emulators.
asciilifeform: phf: i am thinking, instead of burning time on emulating 'nubus' and ancient crapple, when working (from mac-side pov) clone exists i'ma drive it directly via onboard ft2232hl or similar ( the mac-side src , i've had for yrs, and it's quite straightforward re what is done to the card; once i know what specifically happens on the card when nubus regs are written, may as well do it from pc directly to/from the ivory cpu via usb-to-5v-f
feedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2018/this-goes-against-all-human-rationality/ << Daniel P. Barron -- This goes against all human rationality.
asciilifeform: ( didn't exist ~5y ago when i last contemplated doing all of this ) ☟︎
phf: yeah, the scsi/solidstate adapter exists, is actively used for "retro hardware"
asciilifeform: in fact damn near errything but the filter caps is socketed.
asciilifeform: ( actually 1st item will actually be to ditch the ancient scsi hdd and replace with solidstate. i'd hate to lose the box to platter rot )
phf: you know if ivory on macivory actually replaceable, the way it is on xl?
asciilifeform: plus i'ma need ivorytron with direct probes on the cpu lines, and there aint any room for such a thing in the orig
asciilifeform: phf: when thought about it, realized it was mistake : gotta find what the external-to-cpu logic on that thing actually does
phf: so you want to make a replica that plugs into same hardware? i thought you'd want to do a fake mac harnes first?
asciilifeform: ( and really dun need dram at all, the drams on the daughterboard are all connected through period auto-refresher ic that presents as a sram ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( i aint gonna stick to the period srams/drams, cuz that'd be simply dumb , each really belongs as 1 chip )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-13 18:53 asciilifeform: 1st logical step , on the magic day when asciilifeform has both pcb layout and GAL contents nailed down, will prolly be to make an exact physical copy of the board.
asciilifeform: phf: my current plan for that box is , roughly, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-13#1880521 ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( fwiw i still dunno if the bolix people set the lock bit in those things or not; possibly they didn't even )
asciilifeform: what i could really use is some PAL/GAL src. if ever turns up. will make the affair go 9000x quicker.
asciilifeform: phf: defo will have to xray, but thought 'oh hey possibly phf's material will give sumthing to correct against'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma prolly end up xraying with own hands, i dun trust heathen derps with the jools ☟︎
phf: well, you'll still have to xray some, because i barely have anything on macivory, but i'll go over the scans this weekend. i actually have (miracle of miracles) free weekend coming up
asciilifeform: ( the crate is slated to arrive tomorrow morning... )
asciilifeform: btw phf i hate to repeat meself but am i ever gonna see that bolixgem you dug up, or will i have to get whole thing from xray
phf: i still remember one of the cobol guys pulling out random bits from it on day one and going "i can just pull a bunch of things and it keeps working"
phf: well, i appreciated it in theory, didn't have enough active drive to grok it, nor the necessary background
phf: asciilifeform: i worked on tandem for a bit (known by then as HP NonStop), i appreciated the architecture, but entire software stack was cobol
asciilifeform: the win, when there is a win, is that you can make the jesusbolt 'stateless', i.e. if particle whacks it, it resets and retries the last cycle rather than going into metastable strange
asciilifeform: reportedly items like this are being orbited , as cost-saving measure in place of ye olde saphire semiconductors. but there's ~nuffin publicly written re just how built. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( i.e. box had multiple cpu that had to majority-agree re outcome of a cycle )
asciilifeform: even the old ibm irons have a few things to teach pc re redundant/votingcircuit scheme.
asciilifeform: specifically in re 'iron built for reliability', 'tandem' was interesting. i dun expect to ever lay hands on 1 , tho
asciilifeform: lotsa ancient artifacts are imho worth documenting. tricky bit is getting at the surviving crumbs.
asciilifeform: e.g. xerox lispm is rarer still ( and had own merits, which i pieced together 100% from docs and surviving photos and won't even go into in depth because approx as questionable as archaeology of merv... )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, bolix aint even the least-gettable old/interesting comp