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thestringpuller: yea being knee deep in ruby, which is like wading around in horse poop at
times
Adlai: don't we get
the ability
to break down botulin very early on?
mircea_popescu: some limit on universalizing money is better
than none.
mircea_popescu: the only
thing i like about honey as money is
that it gives kids botulism.
mircea_popescu: but apples are nonsense as
they never were value store.
Adlai: you can verify
their quality visually, no holes / mould - it's a good apple
Adlai: btw in
the defense of apples - apples are a simpler value store
than coins, because
they're directly useful - you can eat
them if you're hungry, and you can be pretty sure
that other people like
to eat
them
too
mircea_popescu: Adlai why would you introduce a specific concept if you're not willing
to introduce it rigurously ?
Adlai: oh
they probably do fine in
the old system,
the powerlessness which
they sense is in
the digital domain
mircea_popescu: "we're powerless already in
teh old system... mebbe
this new
thing worth a look ?"
Adlai: in
the sense
that we kept running into stuff like "well are you familiar with
the concept of a hash? ok, so a hash is..."
Adlai: both
these people were painfully aware of
their powerlessness
mircea_popescu: the simplified model i'd readily
think of being something more akin
to "well currently, you people have some sort of control, based on contracts and fiat currency and so on. what we kids are doing is making an entirely new system of control, where you will be entirely powerless.
Adlai: right, we started as apples as money,
then moved
to coins, paper, digital fiat, cleared digital cash, bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: you'll notice discussions of
the weather proceed socially on a simplified model.
Adlai: "derive" is important... a great way
to introduce bitcoin
to people is just
to explain
the problems and solve
them
together
mircea_popescu: seems
there's other points
to address first. but
then again, im an asshole.
Adlai: i'd rather explain derive bitcoin with strangers
than discuss
the weather
mircea_popescu: well you're never going
to explain bitcoin from a dismissive position like
that.
Adlai: and it brought up
the subject
mircea_popescu: "for all
the effort he's spent with me, i'd be pouring drinks if it weren't for my own work"
Adlai was pouring drinks for guests, dad says "he's practicing his bartending in case bitcoin goes
to zero"
Adlai: i was also forced into
this conversation initially, my free choice was just continuing it rather
than changing subject
mircea_popescu: let
them figure it out, eh ? if
the 'first impression' is wrong, it's
the impressee not
the impressor
that has
to change.
mircea_popescu: you act as if
the responsibility for idiocy is on
the
thing.
Adlai: so
these are
two fewer people who hear about bitcoin for
the first
time in some cable news screed
Adlai: "you never get a second chance
to make a first impression" is
true for bitcoin as well, only bitcoin doesn't get
to pick how
to present itself
mircea_popescu: because
to
the common imbecile, all
things are one
thing and
that's
that.
mircea_popescu: for
that matter, "violence in videogames" is EXACTLY
That.
Adlai: but both of
these folks now have a very very positive *initial* impression of bitcoin
Adlai: because
the populace doesn't care
that nerds play D&D in
their basement,
they don't
think it finances
terrorism
mircea_popescu: why aren't you explaining supreme court practice
to
them ?
mircea_popescu: of course it's important. everything
they don't know is important.
mircea_popescu: if you're doing
this, why not explain dungeons & dragons
to random people ?
Adlai: it's still important,
though. at least, more important
than discussing whatever polite smalltalk we could have made otherwise
Adlai: well i was
thinking about
this afterwards, wondering what
the use of spending ~15 minutes explaining a
technology
to people who made every indication of not being its
target audience
mircea_popescu: i don't go about bothering random folk about sumerian
tablets, fascinating as
they may be ?
mircea_popescu: i dun get why you
think either conversation's at all productive ?
Adlai: one was all "this is interesting but computers are not my
thing",
the other said she'd
tell her son
to read about it, because he "once
tried
to explain algorithms
to me"
Adlai: nice
thing about being so close
to roofing
the all-time maximum drawdown is
that it makes you focus on
things other
than price when explaining bitcoin from scratch
cazalla: yeah,
that's what we've done so far
Adlai met not one but
TWO people who'd never heard of bitcoin before
mircea_popescu: cazalla imo as long as
the comment was made by human as opposedto machine, it should be published.
Elian11: the only
thing is... i kinda like Yahoo chocolate milk
Adlai: asswot is my new best friend. i come in here, head brimming with stupid, dribble it out all over
the channel.
then by
the
time i'm authed i realize none of it is worth repeating.
Elian11: yikes,
that would make
the milk worthless
to me
mircea_popescu: Elian11 ultra high
temperature, an application of radioactivity
to make milk shelf stable.
thestringpuller: yea being knee deep in ruby, which is like wading around in horse poop at
times
☟︎ cazalla: on account of it being your article, would be rude of me
to scoop you while you're working :)
mircea_popescu: not really, unless by pasteurized you mean uht'd, which
tastes like shit.
mircea_popescu: you'll prolly have
to get it with
the slavegirl au paquet, cuz i dunno anyone makes such comercially.
Elian11: is unpasteurized milke significantly more valuable
than pasteurized ?
Elian11: ahh, i can
try
to get something like
that
tomorrow
to compare cost
Elian11: What would you drink with
that?
Elian11: Rend for
the store, wage for
the cook, bread baker, etc
Elian11: No, imo sandwitch is an excellent measure because of
the diversity of ingredients and other costs aggregated
cazalla: thestringpuller, did you manage
to get
that article done on reddit while i was zzz?
Elian11: BLT is
the simplest sandwitch it should not be more
than 5, and
that is with chips
mircea_popescu: i don't
think anything i eat is standard enough for such procedures.
Elian11: hmm,
the BLT is
tangent unrelated
to ongoing anecdotal buying power calculation.
Elian11: ne way, my favourite sandwitch is a BLT. Some clown in
the USA
tried
to charge me 7USD for one once. I almost smacked hin upside
the head for
that.
thestringpuller: Elian11: publix for
the mediocre versions. but i'll go
to higher scale grocery stores
Elian11: and what kind of sandwich do you like
to eat
thestringpuller ?
Elian11: Who is in
the states? Would you minde
tell about
the cost of a sandwitch and what you like
to eat?
Elian11: (except stuff on
the ferry in/around airport, etc)
Elian11: I'm on a
trip, and i
think most
things are a bargan at
that rate
Elian11: Euros seem cheap
these days, no?
danielpbarron: i
think it's like decrypting a plaintext with
the private key
ben_vulpes: is a gpg signature
topologically
the same as encrypting
to
the public key?
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mircea_popescu: so now
that bitcoin.org is banned in russia,
the real foundation is actually
the only legal resource in bitcoin as far asthey're concerned ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's common for women
to enjoy being pregnant.