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a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:40 fyr: Like I'm not saying it is ~an utterly impossible insurmountable burden~ I'm saying I don't have any threat models for which it makes sense

mircea_popescu: (but yes, the reason i even looked irrespective of that being on the table was the involved complexity and the expectation you're not actually speaking from atop it)

mircea_popescu: well, i had space for five words, what do you want from me.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'outer case limit' is somewhat of an oversimplification : the thing fitsinhead so poorly, that to this day i am not fully certain why so abominably slow ( other than the abstract fact of 5-6 layers of complexity doing their impedance-mismatch thing together )

phf: aah, now i get the whole thing

mircea_popescu: i guess i never knew. why weren't you ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't support it because he doesn't like the outer case limits of the design, esp re speed. i am not supporting it because i do not have any faith whatsoever in its financial soundness. you aren't supporting it because hm.

phf: i'm not understanding the second half of that sentence

mircea_popescu: possibly not. language perhaps a factor. but i dun speak polish sadly.

phf: i don't think he can even grok the shape of the criticism

mircea_popescu: phf basically what i take his notion to be re the problem is you know, "i'll just mp it", which may seem like a workable idea until one stops to notice that the original mp never actually attempted to guess prices.

phf: i don't think he appreciated my communication style.

jackdaniel: either way, thanks for inviting me so I could confirm/clarifiy some assesments about me. Have a nice evening o/

jackdaniel: no, I'm not that interested in cryptocurriencies to think about them much

jackdaniel: sorry, I'm quite busy now. I've read the log – yes, bounties are arbitrary, or as someone nicely put it "pulled out of ass" by me

jackdaniel: I don't know, I don't think so though

jackdaniel: then I consult with guys on #clim if my assesments are okaish

jackdaniel: I work a bit with code. I asses how hard it will be to fix it, how beneficial fixing it will be and how much resources we have

jackdaniel: I know phf nick, can't remember where from

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:32 fyr: Afaict the whole point of the nickserv pgp thing is I can't come in a month later all "my laptop finally died of blunt impact trauma, accept new unsigned pubkey pl0x"

mircea_popescu: damn i have an issue with sticky urls now.

jackdaniel: yay, so much fame :-) but I'm only accepting PR's after some testing, nothing to praise for

phf: (i kind of missed the question, but also didn't understand it, so will clarify, that i'm not supporting recent mcclim development, financially or otherwise)

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 19:14 phf: jack daniel or whatever his name (ECL guy, who's working on CLIM) made actual progress on the codebase (though some percent of it is wracker work) despite and since being condemned by g_l. i'm not quite sure what g_l did meanwhile..

asciilifeform: ( nfi how this worked. but i brought none of the horrible grease i need to avoid lobstering back where i live, and burned 0 )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i liked the apparent nonsunburniness of the ar sky

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform caribbean blue is no joke btw ; retards from argentina keep whining about their blue sky, but i just saw one today and there's no comparison.

mircea_popescu: i actually invited him.

a111: I haven't seen jackdaniel

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I have not seen jackdaniel.

asciilifeform: also i notice no btc

phf: i ~believe~ that bounties are pulled out of ass by the mcclim stakeholders like beach. "this is tricky and i want it a lot, $500!"

mircea_popescu: (there's a lot of work went into this in eulora, i dunno if you've seen the various pricing threads. it's to my eyes a very interesting problem)

phf: mircea_popescu: i've not really paid enough attention, but they use some bounty tracker https://www.bountysource.com/teams/mcclim/bounties

asciilifeform: 'I've decided to build my own company TurtleWare. It is meant to abide by the values and principles I believe in. I have a strong sense of aesthetics.'

phf: i don't think he literally used the word cunt. i've spent some years with the irish, when i'm in moscows i start reverting (i'm not quite sure what the connection is in my brain)

phf: yeah, i don't remember the details. i think g_l just wanted to be the top dog on the project, and, to quote trinque, swing a dick that he didn't have by running the whole thing in faux tmsr way (lots of calling everyone cunt), which got him marginalized, and eventually completely sidelined

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun follow..?

phf: asciilifeform: i very much remember many threads

asciilifeform: i dun recall him ever mentioning etherism

phf: he (and just a few more bounty people) are slowly making it through mcclim bugs, while at the same time introducing questionable things. here's a random example that came up while i was googling his name, https://common-lisp.net/project/mcclim/posts/Progress-report-8.html

mircea_popescu: and i employ work crews on liek three continents.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you picture NOT "'d00d fixed my car, some percent, but crowbared the windows" ? when exactly was this the case, i've yet to encounter it.

phf: supposed to be an n with accent aigu, he's i think a polak

mircea_popescu: i got an angstrom

phf: different people and i think i'm confusing names

phf: jack daniel or whatever his name (ECL guy, who's working on CLIM) made actual progress on the codebase (though some percent of it is wracker work) despite and since being condemned by g_l. i'm not quite sure what g_l did meanwhile.. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what can i tell you, 152 centimeters are a lot of centimeters for this part of the world.

asciilifeform: i dun think these exist where there is food..?

mircea_popescu: i've had no idea just how frequent 4foot-something females are, pre latinoamerica.

mircea_popescu: can't say i've encountered that many ; and can say that from actual lived experience, the "thinks he's jeddi" heuristic is a fine indicator for "head so far up ass the net result of sufficient whipping will be soap", ie http://trilema.com/2015/the-anal-child/ ☟︎

mircea_popescu: trinque i have no clear view of what he's doing, so i can't measure, so i wouldn't even call it that.

trinque: I've got e-mail threads with him where I try to spoonfeed him a mcclim support gig, nada

asciilifeform: i have genuinely nfi re g_l , what he spends his time on, after seeing the film

trinque: g_l for example can absorb an astonishing amount of whipping with nary a budge. I don't even mean that as an insult.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:32 fyr: and if it did and the shitty VPS it's on went down, I'd make doe eyes at Management and they'd unilaterally push my new key into the kernel of everyone on the network

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 16:33 fyr: Yeah I'm trying to figure out if this is doable without having a trilema-specific key I'd inevitably lose

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707415 << lol this guy. the "trilema-specific" item is the only non-specific one. "oh, i can't get on the web from my walled garden dumbphone without a "web specific" arrangement". yes, it's called a key. the freedom-specific item people in cells need is called a key. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 16:24 fyr: see this is why I want urbit to exist uvu

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707411 << honestly i don't see. what ? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: at which point i feel compelled to quote http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.0-185.1138 : "So we understand each other : John is some poor and kinda stupid kid from some ghetto in some indistinct townlet. One day, Mircea the Bad comes there on whatever business, sits down in the bar with his two bitches curled up at his feet and drinks a rum or something. The girls from the ghetto, for love of their coun

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 16:17 sageprobes: Been intermittently following Loper for ages, I'm an Urbit employee ^-^

mircea_popescu: uh i meant the above re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707352 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 12:34 PeterL: this is something I needed for work, and tada, web search came up with nice open access article, I was amazed

fyr: actually nvm don't I gtg

fyr: hi mircea tell me how I should stop being an untrusted ghostfag <3

fyr: But I don't have any bright plans for making such arrangements, and will consider keyfulness premature optimization until then

shinohai: "if I was doing this for srs" <<< no reason to do it otherwise besides practicd in ones own home

fyr: And like I get that unforgeable reputation is useful if you want to have a textual agreement to buy some MPEx security for bitcoin, or w.e.

fyr: How many times has any ~ghost~ on this channel actually been impersonated? I guess like if every conversation starts with "get a key already" ghosts just don't exist for long ☟︎

fyr: I have a decent grasp of the relevant /primitives/ and am confident in my ability to actually apply them after a couple days of reading manpages

fyr: Have read article, if I was doing this for srs that would be a backup for sharded offsite multisig

shinohai: asciilifeform: I was trying to be magnanimous and assume he had basic knowledge

fyr: I have any idea it just seems like a lot of work :P

fyr: I have like less than one lying around on coinbase for use in buying alpaca socks, not like in any serious capacity ☟︎

shinohai: I mean, there are safety measures such as: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762

asciilifeform: if you do, oughta be familiar with the 'where do i keep something' problem and the approaches to it.

fyr: No I'd leave it locked up in a bank that all the normies trust B)

fyr: Like I'm not saying it is ~an utterly impossible insurmountable burden~ I'm saying I don't have any threat models for which it makes sense ☟︎

fyr: "Without help" is a bit harsh, and implies I shouldn't read the ~practical guide~ just linked, but if I have srs keys nobody gets to touch them ya

fyr: Anyway I'm sure I can be talked into it eventually, but I don't have it set up /already/ and am not going to go on a multihour Fetchquest to that effect rn

fyr: Okay yes I could just triplicate the primary key on various SD cards and hope nobody finds any of them

fyr: But that doesn't actually solve the "2 years later I drop it in the bath" problem

fyr: I have a fresh Librem lying around I can probably use that

fyr: I am very much not going to do that yes

fyr: (Especially if I keep using this thru webchat on an ~underpatched iPad~)

fyr: I guess I could just generate an entropic keypair and dump the private half in Dropbox, but in that case staying unregistered seems more uh honest :3

fyr: Anyway I know I'm on the larp server for "not getting pwned by unspecified pgp-fearing non-Mossad is hard, reliable backups and Linux audio is easy"

fyr: Afaict the whole point of the nickserv pgp thing is I can't come in a month later all "my laptop finally died of blunt impact trauma, accept new unsigned pubkey pl0x" ☟︎

fyr: and if it did and the shitty VPS it's on went down, I'd make doe eyes at Management and they'd unilaterally push my new key into the kernel of everyone on the network ☟︎

shinohai: I figured out that gl broke his leg running from the cops trying to hide crystal meth in wax dildos: http://archive.is/kB5wq

fyr: Yeah I'm trying to figure out if this is doable without having a trilema-specific key I'd inevitably lose ☟︎

fyr: I can paste in an ssh pubkey I guess?

fyr: see this is why I want urbit to exist uvu ☟︎

shinohai: I thought working in Java was like a circle of hell or a prison sentence.

fyr: hmm guess I've been on here before

sageprobes: Been intermittently following Loper for ages, I'm an Urbit employee ^-^ ☟︎

sageprobes: I found the original cracking article plenty interesting :P

sageprobes: was expecting a forum tbh, I don't actually have a sage probe I would need help with but was curious about battle stories