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mircea_popescu: well you know it occurs to me it'd be a lot more productive if you go in early with a "hey, could it please be c ? i would like to run this on mips" discussion than a late paniucwhen guy picks whatever he happened to pick.
asciilifeform: it is in fact possible to write correct 'c', you know.
asciilifeform: incidentally everything that runs on it, is built on it.
asciilifeform: would like, for example, to run on that.
mircea_popescu: so what do you want to run it on ?
asciilifeform: but would like the option of getting off it. esp. for particular applications.
mircea_popescu: what else is there ?!
mircea_popescu: wouldn't one expect the libs also compile ?!
asciilifeform: it's all, theoretically, open
artifexd: All the libs are open
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: massive megalith of vendor libs, that one is expected to use
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nominally open-source, but in the same sense as apple's 'darwin' kernel - that is, nobody who isn't paid, reads it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a google-proprietary language similar to 'd.'
asciilifeform: and i fucking hate turdlangs.
artifexd: go compiles on the big os's. Windows/Linux/OSX/BSD
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the problem anyway, you weren't going to run his binaries ? no os compiler for it ?
artifexd: I have linux servers and vm's that I use for testing.
artifexd: I could write it in C or C++ but cross compiling is an absolute nightmare that I choose not to put up with.
davout: rfc sez "Steal gpg code - any version prior to the Snowden defection"
asciilifeform: 'go' is a turd that i will not have on my systems.
davout: iirc it said 'steal some gpg code' can be wrong here tho
artifexd: Yeah. Hence the shell out.
artifexd: I'm not going to write in lisp.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ knew this ?
asciilifeform: davout: 1) his gizmo is in 'go', a google-proprietary turdlang 2) he's using its built-in crypto routines 3) if you don't like this, have fun waiting 300-500msec/packet using the shell-callout
davout: "later add the option do the crypto via a shell out to gpg"
asciilifeform is rather sad to learn what he just learned.
asciilifeform will not be using this horror, will run his own client.
artifexd: <asciilifeform> speaking of which, did artifexd follow mircea_popescu's prescription and use a hacked gpg for 'gossip' ? << No. I'm using go's openpgp code. However, I'm structuring the code so that I can later add the option do the crypto via a shell out to gpg. Then you can use whatever version of gpg your heart desires.
mircea_popescu: so... what do you mean not everybody on the internet is a dumbass ?
mircea_popescu: hey, the average domestic animal regards its keeper as an animal of the same age and the same gender as it is.
davout: somehow they're too dumb to realize that their 'tips' are more insulting and spammy than anything...
mircea_popescu: early computer program almost made sense, even to me.
mircea_popescu: yes. as ideas spread on the internet, the derps they touch become increasingly nonsensical.
davout: they kind of think that some random guy that never heard about bitcoin will be thrilled to receive a fraction of a cent in magic internet money, redeem it, and start spreading adopshun
asciilifeform: the earlier crowed of 'early adopting' cultist weirdos made considerably more sense to me. they just wanted 'to get rich,' i.e., to quit their jobs
mircea_popescu: also, if they never hear a dissenting opinion ever again that'll be soon enough.
mircea_popescu: practically, everything turning to shit.
mircea_popescu: "change the world"
asciilifeform: what do the reddit folks want ?
asciilifeform: the part that's puzzling is - a classical cargo cult has 'the airplane flies', or an analogous prayed-for outcome
mircea_popescu: same here : not doing anything, but hey, they're "involved" with bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: not learning anything, but hey, they've gone to college.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no im pretty sure he has it. "they feel like they're doing something". much like their education.
asciilifeform: or is it a kind of chumpatronic acid trip, like lotteries
danielpbarron: they feel like they are doing something
asciilifeform: what's the appeal ? i find it hard to picture any of them amassing any kind of serious coin this way
asciilifeform: what is with reddit and the 'tipping' thing? is everyone 'roleplaying' a waiter, a bootblack ?
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mircea_popescu: the redditards are kinda too easy to poke fun at
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mircea_popescu: chicks face with the phone too.
ben_vulpes: love the cameraphone in the back there
ben_vulpes: i love how they have precisely 1 vine
TomServo: That must be the best use of vine to date.
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ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK << totally worth reposting
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mircea_popescu: i mostly hung out with the girls. and if the girls didn't show up i mostly harrangued the prof.
jurov: it was data capable, but plans were too expensive
jurov: i don't know how i managed to survive 4 hour lectures on uni, had only nokia brick then
mircea_popescu: good logs promote that huh.
mircea_popescu: they say it about me tho!
teward: (hot though)
teward: mircea_popescu: please don't force me to sit through a 4 hour lecture on my own state's history without some distraction >.>
danielpbarron: if that wasn't safe for your work then you need to find new work
teward is also *insanely* bored today in class
teward: mircea_popescu: yes, just sayin for those of us who IRC while in class from the back of the room... ;)
mircea_popescu: teward you are aware this place has a history and so on, right ? read it and all ?
teward: mircea_popescu: you should probably tag your NSFW as NSFW >.>
MetatronOne: mircea_popescu> unrelatedly : today i find that prior to 1820 or so, hawaii was all-nude, and that the proper an' traditional hula dance is to be done without panties or other apparel. | woah. what a way to ruin it!
PinkPosixPXE: didn't mean to be impolite
mircea_popescu: in that it drastically limits the pool of potential attackers and attackable material.
mircea_popescu: well, depending of what you actually need to sign, never putting your signed matter over the wire unencrypted can help a lot.
joecool: but i will continue to read on this and see if i can come up with a better way to handle it
joecool: mircea_popescu: i was unaware of the entropy issues on signing until after this was implemented, until then i had assumed it was only important to generate the keys themselves with sufficient entropy
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : today i find that prior to 1820 or so, hawaii was all-nude, and that the proper an' traditional hula dance is to be done without panties or other apparel.
mircea_popescu: and inasmuch as you're a person rather than an organisation, "forced coercion" is really not very much use.
mircea_popescu: entropy could be more important for encryption than signing.
mircea_popescu: joecool the 2nd's most concerning.
joecool: an adversary with large resources will likely be able to get around that through forced coercion before even needing to try to attack the implementation (which I still believe would be a nontrivial task unless the system had a rootkit installed that maliciously generated signatures, that i would see on the counter)
joecool: mircea_popescu: there are two major problems with this implementation that i see. both are problems the cardano solves, 1. the system knows it's a smartcard and malicious software could use it, and 2. weak entropy generation for signing
mircea_popescu: nobody ever said "if i'm ever in a fire i'll have bigger problems than this tiny fire hydrant can solve"
mircea_popescu: that's not how you build effectual deterrence. that's how you set yourself up to shrem.
joecool: if i needed to protect from a 3-letter agency i'd have bigger problems than the shortcomings of a smartcard
joecool: yeah i know you hate them
joecool: asciilifeform: it's just constant fighting to do most anything with the software, it's laid out poorly, simple tasks like minting smartcards, i literally have to back up the config directory for it and copy to mint more cards
mircea_popescu: they must PAY To have such articles published. in that they're fraud.
cazalla: i use to cover the company A raises X amount of capital but have been skipping them as you could really just word replace the amount and company name from a previous article and be done with it. does anyone actually care about such things and wishes to see them?
asciilifeform: now the code is virtually unreadable, and this is true for all versions. no argument.
joecool: asciilifeform: it's just ugly ugly horrible software, unintuitive, i have to swap out pinentry implementation between environments
asciilifeform: but what is the horrible part ?
joecool: i wish -assets would take on attempting to make gnupg2 less horrible, which is the preferred version of gnupg in here anyway?
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mircea_popescu: the one with "too important, i didn;t recognize him" had me rolling on the floor lol
mircea_popescu: that's the female prayer, thank you allah for not having made me sheep (beast of field)
undata: better than turned into an islamic woman
assbot: Cannibalism in the Quran | Quran Explained ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap7DiG )
undata: https://quranexplained.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/cannibalism-in-the-quran/ << dunno the veracity of this
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