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undata: davout: it's ruby; let
them have it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> danielpbarron: make sense? << yes,
that's what
that is.
davout: danielpbarron: iirc with
the raw
tx
thing you can send zero fees without problem,
there's however a safeguard against sending a massive fee
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> i
tried
to make a raw
tx once, got rejected by my own node for having
too small a fee << heinous
ben_vulpes: "whole blockchain" << and more specifically, a
trivial lookup of
txids
danielpbarron: i
tried
to make a raw
tx once, got rejected by my own node for having
too small a fee
danielpbarron: oh well yeah you need
to know
the whole blockchain
to verify a
tx in
that case
danielpbarron: this is for deedbot right? don't you already know what
the last pubkey was?
ben_vulpes: say i have
the
transaction hash (aka
txid) and output index - how do i get
the pubkey
those coins were sent
to?
ben_vulpes: how do i get
the pubkey for a given output?
danielpbarron: the one
that goes with
the pubkey of
the output right/
ben_vulpes: (one can sign anything at any
time -
that's not
the problem.
the problems crop up in a) knowing
the sigs are valid and b)
the multi-input, multi-privkey
transaction generation use-case: how am i
to know which privkeys are
to be used
to sign which inputs, and furthermore [and somewhat recursively] how do i know
those signatures
to be valid?)
ben_vulpes: otherwise you just sign hash of
txn, index in
txn, and have no way
to double check
that you produced a valid signature corresponding
to
the pubkey
to which
those funds were
transmitted originally.
ben_vulpes: to verify
that you've created a valid
transaction, you have
to have
the entirety of
the previous output on hand
to examine
the public key
danielpbarron: i
thought all you need
to know is
the
tx id of
the outputs you want
to use,
the private keys of
the coresponding addresses, a destination, and an amount
ben_vulpes: i don't know
that a bitcoind would be able
to verify a
transaction without access
to
the full inputs
ben_vulpes: while
this isn't *strictly* necessary, it's how
things work now.
ben_vulpes: creating a raw
transaction requires having
the previous
transaction in hand in full at runtime, so as
to extract
the pubkey from
the previous
transaction
ben_vulpes: far easier for
the people working on it at
the
time
to make some silly assumptions about what
txns a user would want
to sign, and
then keep
those
txns on hand
ben_vulpes: i'm starting
to see some of
the rationale behind
the wallet paradigm - creating
transactions for signing requires being able
to retrieve arbitrary
transactions from
the blockchain
ben_vulpes: tx backport archaeology's an interesting
thing
ben_vulpes: probably want
to decouple bot from funding actions
undata: it'd be neat if
the
thing paid its own bills out of its fees on some btc vps
ben_vulpes: i don't really know how
the
transmission of btc is supposed
to work for
the
thing
ben_vulpes: undata: if you're interested in implementing,
talk
to MP for
the spec
undata: actually, it appears it would only have
to be aware
that a
tx has occurred, not send any
undata: ben_vulpes: we have a buddy with an extensible IRC bot; how's
that raw
tx backport coming?
mircea_popescu: they look more like
tower defense / dune2 sort of
thing
to me /
gabriel_laddel: they're in
the same vein of games such as diablo I&II, baulders gate, path of exile etc. Not in
terms of gameplay, but overall attention
to detail and cohesive structure.
mircea_popescu: actually
the supreme commander
thing looks pretty slick.
gabriel_laddel: Any #-assets members who will admit
to being a fan of supreme commander or
total annihilation?
mircea_popescu: "I've lived in filth, I've lived in sin, but I still smell cleaner
than
the shit you're in"
ben_vulpes: i awoke
to sewage leaking around
the bathtub plug actuator
mircea_popescu: we stand against dns and against govt-sponsored pki schemes.
their combination is not likely
to resolve
that.
PeterL: hi Panadol______ , what brings you here
today?
davout: b-a is so mean, kakobrekla makes something nice, everyone
tries
to break it
kakobrekla: why are you asking me, do you
think i know ?
PeterL: so it lets you input a fraction, but converts
to int?
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mircea_popescu: !rate kakobrekla 5
too much stuff
to list. inquire within..
PeterL: so, if somebody has < 1 L2 rating,
they don't get voice? or it just has
to be > 0?
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decimation: in
theory, usg has no legal immunity (from criminal courts), but in practice it clearly does
mircea_popescu: heck,
the us scammer office (previously marshall's office) doesn't have
to answer foia if it doesn't feel like it, and can even lie in public statements.
mircea_popescu: decimation:
there's a deep hypocrisy here somewhere. apparently
the usg entities who are involved with foreign surveillance couldn't possibly do
their jobs if
they were subject
to 'regulation', but of course regular people
trying
to say,
transact bitcoin, have no such reprieve << well, usg entities
that deal in bitcoin do have such reprieve currently ?
decimation: perhaps
that quote should be gossipd's motto
decimation: cameron said "as
technology develops, as
the world moves on, we should
try
to avoid safehavens
that can otherwise be created for
terrorists
to
talk
to each other"
mircea_popescu: because gotta recover
the end of
the key from
their bash string
mircea_popescu: it's
the missing /n at en of otp giving all sorts of people hell
PeterL: somebody is
trying
to hack into chetty's account?
decimation: because
the civil service would exclude access
to
that journalist's organization
mircea_popescu: PeterL obviously,
the idiocy's own internal logic is its downfall. kinda
the problem with all insanity.
mircea_popescu: camweon's a
total heel. i have nfi whatabout england produces such contemptible sacks of shit. i
thought blair was an exception, but apparently he was just a harbringer.
decimation: but
the press corps is carefully selected
to exclude
them
decimation: note
that
there are people who could ask such questions
mircea_popescu: because fucking aspie autistic idiot kids +
total incompetent "women in journalism" ask dronign, meaningless questions
mircea_popescu: decimation i bet you
the guy does not even currently ~KNOW~
that
that's what's being discussed.