asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quoted strings? indeed still gotta bake'em ( see in readme.txt, they're on the listof missing essentials , and errybody grumbles, i'ma do these next )
asciilifeform: dates gotta be decorative and work correctly while being so, or oughta go entirely.
asciilifeform: ( whereas 'ntpism' , i.e. networked clocks, make sense in 0 case, it's simply riotously dumb idea, packet delay aint deterministic . ntpism is pure inca scamola. )
asciilifeform: my contention 'clock is luxury' is based on thought similar to mircea_popescu's, i.e. it dun make sense to bother unless yer doing shortwave or similar application where the intervals gotta be utterly fixed or no go entirely
asciilifeform: ( ftr -- clocks look exactly like servers, just with bnc jack and mains , no other plugs )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931361 << imho clock is a luxury and in foreseeable future i'ma only load essentials into the crates. but the good noose is, rubidium has halflife of ~5e10 yrs and aint setting off any alarms. while cesium clock uses the stable 133 . problem is rather that the buggers are heavy and can't be had , seems, in anyffin smaller than 2U .
asciilifeform: hence wai i posed the q. maybe trinque or lobbes , serious wwwists, can crack this one.
asciilifeform tried various browsers, all behave to spec, i.e. none send url-cum-anchor as part of get or post ( ff and chrome do put it in referrer, but it's quite useless for this job, i need a scheme where url entered by hand or otherwise no ref hdr , is valid )
asciilifeform: this dun do anyffin for us re problem
asciilifeform: ( coupla hundy $ , if 2ndhand, but they're hefty )
asciilifeform: relatedly, imho a future piz cargo oughta include a rubidium clock box.
asciilifeform would like to hear how phf dealt with this .
asciilifeform: summary : historic dates in links are detectably bogus .
asciilifeform: ( the option 'hey just sync clock' dun do anyffin useful. for one thing, kako's clock was yet different. for another, both kako's and phf's drifted , just like mine... )
asciilifeform: the obv. alternative is to actually do a db lookup when printing links, to get the appropriate local date. BUT this means a db lookup per link displayed, i.e. slowdown.
asciilifeform: easiest pill is prolly to '301' e.g. a ...../log/chan/idx/31337 into correct /log/chan/date#31337 , and transform the payloads of all displayed links into the former. BUT this would break with historical convention. so i'ma ask mircea_popescu how he wants this sewn.
asciilifeform: it is interesting that no one has noticed this effect of yet.
asciilifeform: ( in fact date in link should not matter at all, oughta resolve by index # )
asciilifeform: ergo needs 'era 2' corrector similarly.
asciilifeform: atm i also suspect that a certain % of links imported from 'era 2' (phf's april 2016 -- aug. 2019) also do not go where expected, on acct of clock difference b/w the boxen.☟︎
asciilifeform: uniturd decoder, note, is the one in lobbes's latest patch.
asciilifeform: meanwhile : phf's vintage log imports on testbed. however : certain uniturds decode strangely ( e.g. ru-style double-quote turns into accented A ) ; and link-dekakoizer will need db lookup to determine snsabot-correct date for given index # (else the links do not go where expected) .
asciilifeform wonders whether the troo 1000 $ notes are similarly isotope-distinguishable .
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's crackpottery notebooks : pre-hiroshima pb would make a notbad coin metal. at least from authenticability pov.
asciilifeform: very difficult to picture anyone bothering to fake a ~modern~ coin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a persistent rumour in the '90s that kr got hold of an original press . nfi whether substance to this.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc coins are moar in favour nao among fakers than at any point since prior to newton. ( coin has neither serial # , nor any elaborate boobytraps that modern tech can't make short work of )
asciilifeform: cheap foot labour makes counterfeit of small (or even recently abolished) paper moneys into a ~workable thing.
asciilifeform: ( also helped that : the orig plates were appropriated by quick-thinking orcentrepreneurs )
asciilifeform: ( why ? cuz was still accepted, albeit by bagfull, by street orc merchants in some of the sadder -- e.g. kazah -- ex-colonies )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sovok ruble was being faked even after formal cancellation !
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if any bank were found to eat it, most dun have an archaeologist on staff to distinguish genuine from modern fake
asciilifeform: 'Last printed in 1945, the government stopped distribution of this denomination by 1969' etc
asciilifeform: some numismatists still proclaim that e.g. 1000 $ was never demonetized, only outta print. the usg's mint www is silent on the subj tho.
asciilifeform: most recent usa bill to be cancelled, iirc , was the 2 $ . some illiterate shop clerks will in fact refuse it, tho it still, last i knew, is accepted by banks .
asciilifeform: iirc they still theoretically count as money. (who and why would try to spend it for the printed value, is separate q)
asciilifeform: iirc it was fdr who abolished the 4digit moneys; at which pt they became museum pieces
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: numismatics is (was??) astonishingly popular in usa. ( for some reason, the most prized rarities are -- last i knew -- mis-struct ~pennies~ of early 20th c.. )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have difficulty picturing a 'vietnam rerun' , tho the current crop of muppets is certainly dumb enuff. moar likely the linked item is intended as activation ping for whatever 'miami' 5th column can be mustered in br.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as i understand, br has somewhat of an 'excess biomass' problem. possibly could even benefit from a 'great patriotic war'.
asciilifeform: promises to be even moar 'sporty' than 'nam -- brazil is home to some of the lulziest 'living boobytraps', e.g. lonomia
asciilifeform: the youngest folx in usa who remember how to jungle are in their 70s
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: right. my puzzlement was in re what's left in 'nordic'
asciilifeform: ( br ~does~ sell cheap zamac 'colt' with which for poor usaschwitz inmates to shoot selves with... )
asciilifeform: brasil doesn't compete in the nato golden cannon market tho
asciilifeform: '90s ended, nokia was eaten by microshit. what's left.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nordic products ?! what, exactly , other than petro from naggumistan ?
asciilifeform pictures generals nostalgic for 'nam' around table. 'let's rerun! somebody bring a globe, let's pick a jungle'
asciilifeform: 'But the case for territorial incursion in the Amazon is far stronger than the justifications for most war. In the meantime, the planet chokes on old notions of sovereignty.' << lol! couldn't make this up.
asciilifeform: hey asciilifeform one time sat down into 1 of those chinese comp. chairs where there's no iron plate against the piston. but miraculously bounced off.
asciilifeform: it showed 2016-04.txt as the earliest.
asciilifeform: phf: oh hm loox like you actually have 2013 -- present in there ? oddly enuff when i thought you were dead and wget -m ... 'd the site, only saw 2016--present in /raw
