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mircea_popescu: mike_c we don't have
to
tell
them it was asciilifeform not "linux"
lobbes: mircea_popescu: heh,
this will be my first practical contact
mircea_popescu: but it's a good contact. "WAIT LINUX ALLOWS BITCOIN
TO RUN ON ROUTER?!?!?!?!"
lobbes: <asciilifeform> no need
to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought
to do for a while << vps with same specs should work
too, right?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of which, i wonder for how many noobs
this will eb
the first practical contact with a nix machine
phillipsjk: Just make sure your users know
they have
to format as ext2 or whatever. (If you implement
the plug-in
transaction function.)
trinque: phillipsjk: I didn't but yes,
they did.
phillipsjk: trinque, because
that is
the only
thing MIcrosoft supports.
Therefore every USB stick is pre-formatted with it. I understand you removed Microsoft compatibility from your code anyway.
phillipsjk: They require
the drive
to be partitioned
to use UDF. (making
the partition cover
the whole disk works)
trinque: why use vfat in
the first place?
danielpbarron: the user might not have an online computer
to broadcast from, but does have an offline signing machine
mircea_popescu: dude i like
talking
things
through in here, it's like a mental lens.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron include
that bit in
the write-up, will be
the identification for rebate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
that's a good idea btw. can it do
that much ?
danielpbarron: can
the pogonode be programmed
to automount a usb drive, check for signed raw
transactions in a
text file, and broadcast
them?
phillipsjk: Yes, I understand
the appeal of a "set it and forget it" box. Sometimes, upgrades are kind of forced on users
though. My former ISP mailed out a VSDL Modem when
the local monopoy stopped supporting
the older ADSL modem.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk i don't
think anyone'll be able
to beat
the "spend a coupla hours having fun with real deal code,
then forget about it" deal.
phillipsjk: What size SSD are you
thinking of using?
mircea_popescu: i don't want
to be shipping
these out by hand if i can help it.
nubbins`: luser can go
to walmart and buy one off
the shelf, plug it in at home
nubbins`: asciilifeform
that's what i pictured
too
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk
that's not
the problem : anyone with half a clue can do
the same and make a diff bitcoin static
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, I was
thinking, simply modify your code
to handle a larger block-size.
nubbins`: so
this is essentially a mouser parts list, and a list of instructions?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but he'll hjave
to get gavin
to sell him some of
those magical 10
terrabyte ssd's he has from
the future.
mircea_popescu: l;et people buy individually, i dont want
to ship out a stock of special-diddled machines
mircea_popescu: i specifically do not wish
the purchase
tobe identifiable.
nubbins`: or do a
thing like raspi did, sub it out
to
the mfg's
mircea_popescu: that's
the problem :
to have
them shipped
to a central location and
then shipped out
trebles
the cost
phillipsjk: I am sure you all know about
the block-size controversy. How harw will it be for
the end-user
to change
the block-size on
these units?
nubbins`: and also
toss out
the fact
that a "ready
to go" version will make .foundation more financially independent
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know, schemes
to grow rich off rebate deals are kinda kramer-esque
nubbins`: i wholeheartedly encourage you
to ship
the devices as you see fit
nubbins`: anyway, consider
the quantity suitably modified
trinque: mircea_popescu: yep
that's a good
thing
mircea_popescu: trinque for one
thing, you can use it as a proxy for your actual bitcoind
nubbins`: i'm rich, why
the fuck do you
think i can sit around here all day?
trinque: some bitcoin-telegraph for
torrents
thing
trinque: the filesharing
thing has always appealed
to me
trinque: are
there any services a derpuser might be able
to use within his own network if he has a full node?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: okay,
then i'm
talking about "nubbins orders 10k units, pre-loads
the code, does what he just described, makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, donates 10%
to .foundation, moves
to dutch antilles"
mircea_popescu: the long
term benefit is a "just keep it powered and you are providing one full node"
nubbins`: those who want
to keep running
their nodes will.
those who don't will cash out (or not!) and stop.
nubbins`: you can't persuade people
to do something long-term if
they don't see a long-term benefit, period.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but
this is an "owner orders unit and loads
the code"
nubbins`: however, generating a bunch of signed
transactions and loading a single one onto each unit, which
the eventual owner may spend or discard as he sees fit...
nubbins`: but giving money
to people who pop on irc and provide photos of
their gear is retarded
nubbins`: some will produce a photo of
their running unit,
then scrap it
nubbins`: some number of idiots will do
this no matter what
nubbins`: you could actually construct
the entire
transaction before loading it onto
the device
nubbins`: this is why i'm having
trouble making
the leap
nubbins`: sending coin is a no-no because it identifies
the IP as running a node?
mircea_popescu: cunts are made
to be seen. browsers are made
to not be identified.
mircea_popescu: understand : naked cunt on
the internet, no big deal. your ad
tracking cookie in browser ? huge deal.
nubbins`: privacy implications in photographing
the inside of your home?
nubbins`: bit more manageable
than making people
take pictures, upload
to imgur, etc etc
nubbins`: but for
the purposes of
this -- a pre-loaded one-time-use address
nubbins`: daemon monitors addresses of distributed units, disburses funds in
the form of btc when a unit goes live
mircea_popescu: anywya, danielpbarron is working on a full length noob guide, online cheaper
than on paper
nubbins`: unit creates a
tx unique
to itself, pushes
to bc as proof of it firing up
mircea_popescu: but w/e, if you were going
to get yourserlf one, get yourself
three, give
to your gf and your mother, get rebate for
the
two
nubbins`: most people would not
take
the 50 back
mircea_popescu: way i was planning
to do
this was an equivalent of "show me your
tits", ie, buy a router, install it, show proof, get your money back.
nubbins`: still have a box full of NSA shirts
taking up space as it is 8)