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punkman: I've seen nlocktime mentioned in various microtransaction derpage, needed
to help fill
those 20mb blocks
davout: why would
they hang out in
the mempool?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform
that bashed quote is a clean cut, nicely done
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:23:30; *: decimation would prefer
to humbly submit
to
the silent dance of
the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known
time
trinque: jurov: heh, I
think decimation did
jurov: mhm, did anyone already suggest
time synchronization by actually
tracking heavenly bodies by outdoor camera?
jurov: no need
to invent
the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles
jurov: in fact, since earth is noninertial frame, even atomic
time depends on latitude
jurov: lol @
that
time discussion
davout: and nlocktime only in
the original way, not in gmaxwell's/todd's way
davout: multisig in
two different ways
pete_dushenski: nLockTime is a parameter
that can be attached
to a
transaction,
that mandates a minimal
time (specified in either unix
time or block height),
that before
this
time,
the
transaction cannot be accepted into a block.
mircea_popescu: davout, fluffypony < i don't
think bitcoin reference supports either nlocktime or multisig.
mircea_popescu: in case it's not clear, no anything authored by hearn may ever be merged into anything. i don't care what it is.
the dog learns
to shine shoes or do carpentry or whatever, but he does not work wioth computers anymore.
mircea_popescu: "The BIP was authored by Mike Hearn who also provided
the implementation for Bitcoin Core."
mircea_popescu: hings necessary
to implement
this functionality in a secure fashion are already in place, which Bitcoin Core should have done as well."
mircea_popescu: "btcd won’t be supporting
the command because it is completely unauthenticated and insecure as pointed out numerous
times on
the initial pull request. In response
to
these concerns, a section entitled “Authentication” was added
to
the BIP which attempts
to address
the concerns by simply calling
them out along with some potential modifications
that could happen in
the future. However, we prefer
to wait until
the
t cazalla: maybe
the spanish kid 2 doors down as a kid was not spanish
then, nfi,
that is what he use
to call his grandfather
trinque: mircea_popescu: open source is dead
to me
mircea_popescu: the woodcollector guy spending weeks producing 10s of k's of words a day on
the
topic of nothing at all being
the prototype for how
that works.
kakobrekla: well good music is like a drug if
thats what you meant
mircea_popescu: but if you let people off
the street do system design you get systems designed by people off
the street.
trinque: just expose
the damn data; let
the
thing using
the data decide what questions are interesting
trinque: this "oh hey we added getutxos"
thing... no!
trinque: mircea_popescu: 'tis what caused it; not working on
the sqlite
thing atm
tho
mircea_popescu: trinque: I'm starting
to itch for a sqlite+deturdolatedbitcoind experiment <<< wha happened
to deedbot ?
davout: ben_vulpes: bitcoind doesn't provide any way
to retrieve a list of unspent outs for a key
that's not in your wallet
mats: think of
the poor souls
that are red green colorblind
ben_vulpes: <davout> but it's not possible
to get
the list of unspent outs given an arbitrary private key << wat
davout: if you're not using
the wallet you just know
the first out you spend, and you know
the next one from
the raw
tx you create, you still need 'gettxout'
to not have
to follow
the balance around
mod6: think we should switch
to
the black & hacker-green motif?
davout: but it's not possible
to get
the list of unspent outs given an arbitrary private key
davout: trinque: if you import a private key into bitcoind you'll get
the 'listunspent' call, don't know about btcd
trinque: davout: we did not find a way
to just "get all utxos" from btcd, could've overlooked something obvious. barring
that, I can roll forward from
the block where it was first funded and just chew on all
the
transactions from
there forward looking for relevant ones
jurov: mod6 i like
the banner. not sure we're all necessarily cryptoanarchists,
tho
davout: trinque: so you keep
the
txid around, query your client for
the
txout and work from
there? not very clear on what you mean
trinque: each
time it's funded
the starting point will advance,
too
trinque: since
the
thing publishes once an hour, rolling forward doesn't seem
that big a deal
davout: TheNewDeal: blockchain.info failed miserably at detecting
them for a while, don't know if
that's changed since, but afaik it's perfectly standard, and nodes will relay
them
trinque: anyhow
that's what I'll do for now
trinque: and
then back
to my rant re: holy shit
this is a
trivial query with well-structured data
trinque: yup,
that's where
the "roll forward from first funding
transaction's block" comes from
davout: TheNewDeal: i don't
think so
davout: hrm yeah, i forgot about keeping count of
the balance, for
that you should be able
to use
the gettxout call
though
trinque: say I send a
transaction, get one confirmation,
then
the
thing still ended up on
the losing fork
trinque: davout: I'm hesitant
to keep my own count of btc when
the correct value can be pulled from
the node
davout: that way you keep one private key around, and you just need
to
track one
txid
that you reuse in
the next
tx
davout: when i have
the addy
to spend
to for notarization, create a raw
tx spending from
that, and sending all
the change back
to
the original address
trinque: has
the same wad 'o json api
davout: i don't know shit about
this one
davout: trinque: do you intend
to run a full client for deedbot's needs?
trinque: simple funding
transactions, simple "publishing"
transactions
trinque: so I can constrain
the domain of
things I care about
trinque: fluffypony: right,
the subject being
this bot, in
this instance
davout: there's also multisig,
that you can do with
the dedicated script, or in
the p2sh fashion
fluffypony: if you receive a
transaction with an NLOCKTIME in
the future is
that part of your balance or
the sender's balance?
trinque: and would
that be a concern of something
trying
to ascertain a balance
trinque: davout: what kind of
transaction does not involve a pubkey?
trinque: ben_vulpes
tells me
there's one
that pulls it into postgresql
too
trinque: davout: right, but
the balance would be "that which has been spent
to me, and not subsequently spent elsewhere"
davout: some implementations will let you store
the DB in a SQL store iirc
davout: not all
transactions are a
transaction
to a pubkey
trinque: davout: what did I overlook?
that was assuming everything
that got stored in sql was validated by say an insert
trigger
davout: trinque: "you'd just query
the outputs
table for your pubkey where none are referenced by an input's output_id field" <<< it's a bit more complicated
than
that
cazalla: trinque, yeah
that is what i
thought after
that episode
trinque: I actually
thought lorde was a made-up singer until recently
TheNewDeal: lorde was played by one of
the main character's fathers, dressed in drag
cazalla: dunno,
thestringpuller only know
that one song of hers but
then only because weird al did it first
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these additional notes: crypto-priest.
cazalla: miss me
thestringpuller? ya lack of emails suggest not :\
cazalla: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw, you're both prolly making
too much of
this. <<< not reary, i don't
think anyone made a big deal of it, but i'm
thankful BingoBoingo and danielpbarron were able
to point out
this guy's lies same day i left for holidays
mod6: we appreciate all
the help
that
the attendants of #b-a have given
to
the foundation &
the effort
to decruft
the R.I.
mod6: thanks for
the help mike_c!
mod6: well, for instance if you received
the blocks out of order, and
then you got
the child of 144,000 a few after some others,
then it can't continue
mike_c: if
the chain split off where, at 144k?
mod6: not sure what
the specifics were
there.
mod6: well, if he removed
the entire orphanMap,
then it if
the chain split off and became
the new best chain, it can't move forward.
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made
the change << my experience is in line with asciilifeform's: once wedged, it never unwedges
ben_vulpes: i don't have a contract with
those people, i'm not bound by any line of
text
they write.
mod6: i
think all of 'em say
that now
TheNewDeal: apparently a line of
text at
the
top of a file
mod6: at
the
top of
that file