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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know that's just a general support email, and the connection between fenton and fdvt is about the same as between reddit feminist incel and starbucks
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> Tech Email:domainadmin@fdvt.com << lol! << See someone got the Fenton lulz
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> like the ents or something. << Where did all of the nodewives go?
asciilifeform: Tech Email:domainadmin@fdvt.com << lol!
mircea_popescu: like the ents or something.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the pogo plugs will be quite welcome. the network's been suffering for a long time,
BingoBoingo: Well, not THE forum, but a forum
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10340310#msg10340310 << Now it is on the forum
mircea_popescu: wasn't goping to say anything, but since it's public now..
mircea_popescu: it was highlighted by intel about two weeks ago, and we're generally tracing it to philippines "top quality" content farms working for a number of (mostly ct and wash based) pr firms. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: "I've noticed certain repeating characteristic in the writing of many members of this forum: they construct grammatically correct sentences but absolutely disregard the underlying semantics: incoming vs. outgoing, local vs. remote, source vs. destination, etc. Here in regards to TCP/IP ports, but I observed that in regards to pretty much any technical issue." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "Of course many ISPs block out outgoing 8333 by default . Why do you think we see all these threads where people complain that they are getting only 8 incoming connections on their bitcoin QT wallet? Why do we average less than 7k nodes worldwide at any given time?"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: deserves a post << see thread here first
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: twould also be interesting to see the same test against the modern codebase
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes demanding to be gassed by gestapo ahead of schedule, lol
mircea_popescu: in the words of one of the numerous us generals remembered for losing a war, "the unknowns that we know about, we name terrorism. the unknowns we don't know about, we predend don't exist. that and the state department is how we spend a trillion for the priviledge of spending another trillion."
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> assbot: Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas << speaking of this ben_vulpes, how about a site where people can get bitcoin for reading messages on the screen, then autodial them into say 5k different emergency zones across the us. << sounds great
asciilifeform: so we ship, e.g., the pogos, with titanic list of nodes. some of which we own and operate.
punkman: maybe have a list of dnsseeds with signed node lists baked in the source
punkman: so no need for irc or built-in, just have them in the bitcoin.conf
mircea_popescu: dude these fucktards. LEARN PGP!!1eleventyfivethousand cocks in your mother's dumb mouth.
mircea_popescu: "Show your face. Those who know what you look like can verify that it's actually you, and not a sockpuppet trolling us all."
mircea_popescu: trinque don't make it larger than your head.
trinque: if one part shouldn't talk to another, it doesn't
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The future.
asciilifeform: mike_c: that's 0.5.3 ?!
mike_c: ^ seems evidence it takes more than one?
trinque: mircea_popescu: my evening is free to hack on it; the "keep it running" part got a lot of attention, which may have expanded scope past "a few scripts"
mircea_popescu: punkman asciilifeform yeah that's more intended for proxy chaining them iirc
BingoBoingo: -addnode offers multiple potential ips to add
asciilifeform: -connect=ADDRESS limits you to that node and only it, alive or dead
BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/3R9Y3SG.txt << mircea_popescu Still made it through. IRC lag makes you think you win these trophies.
mircea_popescu: !give me the cockblocking BingoBoingo trophy!
mike_c: this is an odd time warp, where my knowledge is not outdated, but actually is too far in the future. it's weird :)
asciilifeform: mike_c: iirc you can only offer one seed in the conf as of 0.5.3 ?
mircea_popescu: trinque so what's almost done ? this week ? tomorrow ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: granted. plenty of fires since then, which are out
mike_c: it already seeds from file (bitcoin.conf), just need to fill the file.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think about it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe this seed-from-file mod is more stringently needed than i thought ? mod6 ? ben_vulpes ?
PeterL: oh, ok, nevermind then
asciilifeform: PeterL: iirc, that's already in there
PeterL: could you add an option to input an ip address for seed? so start it by typing "bitcoin --seed my.fri.ends.ip"
mircea_popescu: trinque ok, but it was nearly done like a week ago too ?
asciilifeform: anybody who can sit down between me & the ircd, can feed in arbitrary crap
asciilifeform: mine (with dns seds nixed) ends up finding them on irc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought the node's own memory was the primary bootstrap ?
mircea_popescu: and speaking of how's it going yo trinque ! what happened there ?
asciilifeform: actually, given that most of the hard seeds are dead, the irc mechanism is the primary bootstrap.
mircea_popescu: and remove a lot of dumbass pressure off the blockchain. ("want to talk to people ? talk through the node process not through the tx process)
asciilifeform: think about it. isomorphic.
mircea_popescu: which will make bitcoin full nodes a much saner thing altogether.
asciilifeform: the irc thing is a chokepoint. in my head it counts as 1 hardcoded node, really
mircea_popescu: irc should probably stay because a) it doesn't actualy do anything atm and b) it will be an easy upgrade to gossipd
PeterL: we plan to rip out irc?
asciilifeform: but we can't zap both it and the dns seeder (already submitted zap for the latter) without a fresh list of seeds
asciilifeform: and, much as it is intriguing that so many nodes still hang out on irc bitcoin-xx channel, that thing doesn't belong in the RI
mike_c: well, this is clearly best solution :D
mike_c: hence ascii's list of "only 6 of these are still alive"
trinque: the language needs to be patched such that wisdom and simplicity are more closely connected
mike_c: this actually begs the question, how the hell is this thing finding any nodes right now? brb. code grep.
mike_c: i'm going to get this node list into my mini-node how?
mircea_popescu: "In general I have found so far that the best results in computer security are achieved not by those who are most competent at securing a system, but by those who are backed by management most inclined to simplify their task. "
mircea_popescu: i gotta find this quote of myself, not enough self fellatio today.
asciilifeform: so people are going to download this file by IP address << can come straight from the fuhrer's arsehole, so long as it's signed by genuine foundation
mircea_popescu: ip addresses seems to be the manner to connect via tcp/ip neh ?
mike_c: heh, so people are going to download this file by IP address?
asciilifeform: dns is not only a thin and centralized neck to squeeze, it is controlled almost entirely by usg
assbot: The Global Bezzle – whence it came, where it went and why it matters (repost from 2011) — Crooked Timber ... ( http://bit.ly/16nCmVW )
mike_c: PeterL: this mechanism already exists. bitcoin-seeder
asciilifeform: understand that node only needs to find 1 working node on the list, to spin up
mircea_popescu: sure, that';s the general idea, have all the magic strings in a file somewhere.
asciilifeform: separate file << was the plan already
PeterL: How about putting seeds in a separate file (Foundation can host a copy that is updated periodically), and add user settable options for whether to download the updated file on program start and from where?
mircea_popescu: crooked timber is a good blog btw
BingoBoingo: jurov: FXD THX
jurov: it shown me trilema immediately after that
gribble: Bitcoin Falls Victim to Galbraith's “Bezzle” - The New Yorker: <http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/bitcoin-falls-victim-to-galbraiths-bezzle>; Agenda: Essential Task of Unwinding the Bezzle - WSJ: <http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324469304578140891938671684>; The Global Bezzle – whence it came, where it went and why it ...: <http://crookedtimber.org/2013/11/21 (1 more message)
jurov: i was asking about linking to definition too, but
mircea_popescu: if the king can pay nobles for their service in "heraldics" he will do so. and issue and issue and issue until there's more crowns than the estucheon can hold.
PeterL: asciilifeform: PeterL: the phoundation's git does not appear to have the hardcoded seeds any longer. when they were thrown out? no idea << did you figure out what they were replaced with?
mircea_popescu: giving voice to anyone that asks has its disadvantages.
asciilifeform: the_scourge: i occasionally use it as a healthier, low-tar substitute for perl
mircea_popescu: !down the_scourge
trinque: bow to your sensei!
trinque wishes he could watch asciilifeform slap the_scourge in person
asciilifeform: PeterL: separate config is in the works. but i did have the thought that ought to see what ought to go in it first
the_scourge: asciilifeform: you're the one coding in python
the_scourge: cool so neither needs based nor merit. simple universal. to thsoe who ask. fn is democracy :)
asciilifeform: the_scourge: if you want to port fortran or cobol to it, who can stop you. if you expect the design to somehow accomodate your perversion - sorry
the_scourge: felipelalli: did you have to prove need?
felipelalli: now I am cloaked. Thanks trinque for the tip.
asciilifeform: PeterL: having hardcoded seeds is, in my opnion, a silly way of doing things << what do you suggest as an alternative? how is the proggy to know what exists anywhere without a hardcoded something or other
the_scourge: btw any chance that the first HLL cpu will support python? i know that's heresy but the library support is better than lispscheme
trinque: eat and shit are entirely appropriate names there
PeterL: having hardcoded seeds is, in my opnion, a silly way of doing things
the_scourge: asciilifeform: do you always name your filehandles like that, or only in python
asciilifeform: PeterL: the phoundation's git does not appear to have the hardcoded seeds any longer. when they were thrown out? no idea
PeterL: any idea when these were last updated?
asciilifeform: PeterL: i for one am a little surprised that -any- of them work