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Barbarossa_: I'm a professsional poker player from the UK ☟︎
Barbarossa_: no - my PGP keys were all generated on a diddled wintel box
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: consider introducing yourself ? who are you ? already own a fg ?
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: to shed more light on (entirely not seekrit) price structure -- to pay for producing a device, btc is spent. then it gotta be earned back.
Barbarossa_: damnit, guess I'm a self-loathing crytoJOO after all :(
ben_vulpes: Barbarossa_: jewdom is a state of mind
Barbarossa_: don't get me wrong: I'm mostly just trying to wrangle for an even cheaper implementation of gold standard entropy (despite not being a joo)
asciilifeform: there are no plans to peg the price, however, to a fixed quantity of usd, or troy of gold, or pounds of grain, or any other babylonian metric.,
asciilifeform: and yes there was recently a price cut
ben_vulpes: Barbarossa_: there was just a price cut
Barbarossa_: any chance of a price cut for FUCKGOATS w BTC @ ATH? ☟︎
trinque afk for a sec
trinque: not that particular one, but I would hazard a guess it lacked the hierarchial trust topology that makes other republican items work.
asciilifeform: incidentally ted nelson struggled with this conundrum, and imho his failure to produce anything looked like a solution, is 1 of the reasons why he was relegated to 'voice in wilderness' rather than getting to define www
trinque: and as I describe things the gossipdnet now has, if it wants, a history of what its seen, and a way to refer to it.
asciilifeform: just like http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DC02BECF037180105CA079586B51212366B61A8CD3BB5992FD2F90CF9FC7D6C5 , a d00d whose key is unbroken, the page can have potentially very different output the ~next~ time you read it
asciilifeform: is it a locative ? or an immutable ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: q is re what a 'url' ( or what we call it instead ) really ~is~
trinque: why do you wish to express querying in terms of a hypertext interface at all?
asciilifeform: trinque: you're mixing layers. basic mechanics of gossiptron is not in dispute, q was re how to query a db by more than 1 possible index col
asciilifeform: to reformulate : how do i refer to an index into a db that is indexable by more than one column ?
trinque: folks can now ask me whether I have a particular hash, but can only know you meant it to mean "mahmood-anal-perforation-7" if they know you, or if you signed the fact that it is
asciilifeform: forget the pushing variant. i want to put a handle on a particular pgpkey or pgpfp into the l0gz. what does that look like ?
trinque: lets say it's phuctored again. your station broadcasts to whoever it cares to tell, a particular identifier unique within your station now points to a new hash.
trinque: there was a very recent thread re: this
trinque: hypertext's an inert datastructure, gives you a graph to crawl over while reading. why's it gotta be an interactive program aside that usecase?
asciilifeform: let's work out a concrete example
asciilifeform: trinque: lemme confess to you the context : i recently took a break from $usual to write an ada www server, and quickly barfed. because thought 'and what, it also gotta handle POSTs, and quickly becomes asinine mess of horror'
asciilifeform: ( this is not necessarily a bad idea, but i'd like to hear moar re how )
asciilifeform: trinque: so we're contemplating a separation of reads and writes into unlike protocols ?
trinque: by sending you a key over gossipd
asciilifeform: how do i make a phuctor at all with your algo ? ( how do users submit a key ?? )
asciilifeform: fulltext search is not a misuse
asciilifeform: substrings, trinque -- what happens when i type 'anything you're using as a search index can exist' string into your search ?
trinque: anything you're using as a search index can exist as some file with a hash your DHTinator could pull itself and look at on your end.
asciilifeform: see the 'phuctor as a static www' thread
asciilifeform: trinque: 'www server should serve statics' is great until you realize that you use phf's search box every day and it's a dynamicism
trinque: and yes would kill the "dynamic web" thing which, what the fuck, it's hypertext not a program, even if a program generated the hypertext.
asciilifeform: the tricky bit is how to propagate these without ending up with 'no individual node gives anything to allcomers, yes, but allcomer can ring the whole world as a bell and it never stops'
trinque: peers may even say "here's what I think dailysturmer is" and you go pick a hash to use
asciilifeform: trinque: because it is very difficult to murder with no trace a thing to which all of the apparent alternatives are spike cones.
asciilifeform: ever done this over a noisy radio ( or shitphone ) all day ?
trinque: bookmark the digits with a name
asciilifeform: what will you suggest to the iphonist ? 'fuck off and go sit on a road cone' ?
trinque: sure, got even a local cache of DNS sitting here
asciilifeform: asciilifeform walks around with maybe a dozen
mircea_popescu: maybe in a zoo
asciilifeform: pov is from area denial op ( kill dns as a thing perceived to be required by the cattle ) rather than 'for republic', was what i thought
trinque: can even shake the thing like a monkey if you didn't mean it!
trinque: without anything not attached to a single button press on rectangular glass
mircea_popescu: apparently it's a lost technology, this, the NUMBER
asciilifeform: mnemonism is a thing. 200+yrs state of art.
asciilifeform: to a crowded train, or whatever.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 19:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708972 <<< none of them even knows how to find a browser without autocomplete.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709009 << so you make a mnemonizer that fits on propaganda pamphlet, wat. gotta separate 'is problem worth solving' from the 'how to solve' ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708973 << no. some non-people are trained as part of their non-people training at the hands of old women to a. never show their cunt in public b. run away whenever specific sounds are heard (1. sirens, 2. "freeze", 3. "nigger", 4. numbers and math, 5. etcetera). this is how old women build "a society" which looks exactly like fucking john gast's "american progress", a "painting" made by tele ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708972 <<< none of them even knows how to find a browser without autocomplete. ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708749 << And that Olympic football goalie had a telephoto lens on her starfish ☝︎
ben_vulpes: not...exactly a solar shade: http://www.orbitalreflector.com/
asciilifeform: now on the other hand if somebody sold a board with, e.g., several MB of sram + nic magnetics + uart hole -- then yes
asciilifeform: vga bouncyball is a 'pons asinorum' of sorts, in fpgadom.
asciilifeform: ( olimex sells a little adapter that bolts vga db15 plug and minidin ps/2 to the ice40-1k and -8k boardz )
asciilifeform: this could easily be a, say, plugin for heathen browsers etc.
diana_coman: mod6, yeah, node's been fine for quite a while; I'm still looking at the options to run one with a public ip too but not yet settled on that
diana_coman: yeah, I think you actually held his hand quite a lot but who knows what he has there exactly
mod6: i tried to help a guy on eulora, failed. lol. maybe he'll figure it out though.
mod6: this is a tough one however; often we want to discuss matters without having to wait weeks for someone to come back, fully read. but, tradeoffs.
mod6: we're also getting a bit more lenient on "must read 6mos of logs first" rule imho. and reasonably so when introductions are concerned, but last few days, we've seen a number of threads that could have been avoided.
mircea_popescu: i couldn't have aged that much in a few years!
mircea_popescu: i dunno, back in say 2014-2015 we had 1.5-2k-2.5k line logs and it wasn't such a load. but the lines musta gotten denser or something, because even 1k nowadays is like... god.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck have i done nothing but logs and some light fucking today and im looking at a log page halfway through!
AlfredAlfer: I'll attempt to set up a key tomorrow
AlfredAlfer: I thought perhaps it related to the AI conversation in that someone programmed a bot to kill such and such creature by identifying certain pixels and it mistook the rabbit for what it was supposed to kill
mircea_popescu: lol. you can always tell a girl that grew up in the 50 continental sads, because very shame driven.
mircea_popescu: you know, the reddit guiys would never guess, but actually a lot of girls do ?
AlfredAlfer: well that's a sport I most admire
AlfredAlfer: forgive me it's late and i've had a couple tequilas heh
a111: Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
AlfredAlfer: so it would see heather heyer and think she was a fruit
mircea_popescu: but the google "ai" works exactly in this manner : show a large matrix a bunch of different pics, and then see what got fished up, so to speak.
AlfredAlfer: I think they now have a censor for really mean fat chicks
mircea_popescu: it's not a fat joke.
AlfredAlfer: how is that a fat joke
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 04:14 AlfredAlfer: for me what did me in was a fat joke
AlfredAlfer: A functioning ethnostate
AlfredAlfer: yea that's what a degree will get you these days
AlfredAlfer: I guess in that case trilema would be about a 17 on the 10 scale
AlfredAlfer: then they go to college and realize they're just another plane jane in a sea of 8's
mircea_popescu: well, every girl in nowhere, indiana tells herself "she's got a handle on things".
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 22:22 mircea_popescu just counted, trilema (articles only) stands at 10`631`726 words. this excludes my comments there and of course whatever my share of the log's 2mn lines (ie about what, a further 20-30mn words ?) is.
AlfredAlfer: Ohhh hh i'm sure you could fill my head for weeks and I wouldn't know a fraction
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of history you don't know.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason the pantsuit ignore it.
AlfredAlfer: never succeed? Ever make a dent?
AlfredAlfer: even if they started targeting you tomorrow and made a dedicated quest
AlfredAlfer: Can you give me a quote to really coax him over here?
AlfredAlfer: boxxy didn't have a rack like mine
AlfredAlfer: Lol i told you that would be a bomb the internet would not soon forget.
AlfredAlfer: 'twill forever be a mystery
mircea_popescu: iirc danielpbarron was trying to arrange something in that vein a few days ago but he never showed.