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asciilifeform did not suggest that a node carry out the scan!
mircea_popescu: no, the sane way is wot signed seed list.
mircea_popescu: decimation the error is to imagine lenin, dalton and gentlemen planters are some sort of ilk.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do not grasp how one could see the 1848 revolts as failed.
Vexual: no versions, only talk
asciilifeform: whereas normal people are stuck wondering how many public btc nodes, and afaik there is not a believable public number anywhere
asciilifeform: enough to eat with arse.
asciilifeform: note that enemy has all the portscans he can ever wish for.
asciilifeform: (proofofwork is not a magical pill against every conceivable form of molestation, only the immediately profitable forms)
asciilifeform: or are we to believe that a protocol carried 100% in cleartext, on unique tcp port - is not being molested ?
asciilifeform: zap whatever compartments and cliques may have formed naturally (or unnaturally...) in the graph.
asciilifeform: ^ i would much like to see that mega-portscan happen. it is really the only sane way to generate a proper seedlist.
decimation: the problem from the rebel's point of view - does his rebellion tend to empower gentlemen planters, or lenin, danton, and their ilk?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thinking of the mostly failed revolts in fr, elsewhere
cazalla: mircea_popescu, maybe, but i read demand for au minerals has tanked too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform were you thinking 1907 ? i dun see the 1848 angle in any light.
cazalla: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=AUD&to=USD just jumped off a cliff too lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean after the austrian monarch was deposed ? in a negotiated peace ?
asciilifeform: and knowing what the hell they're doing
cazalla: au beginning to cut interest rates today
asciilifeform: so, let's take the malcontents of europe circa 1849.
mircea_popescu: you see a nail go "don't hit me unless i actually go in the wall" ?
mircea_popescu: this is what cowardice is : the consideration of meta.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to revisit this point : the byzantine generals problem is specifically and exactly mathematically formalised cowardice.
mircea_popescu: because the aliens aren't about to land with platinum visas for everyone.
asciilifeform: sitting on a sharpened pine tree fsckinghurts
mircea_popescu: yeah well it gotta be one or the other.
asciilifeform: same reason a fella sitting on the stake 'bitches'
mircea_popescu: so then why so many peoples in the usa bitch!
asciilifeform: how many folks in usa can survive a month w/out 'business as usual' (mains, fuel, water, just-in-time deliveries to local 'food' shops)
asciilifeform: in which few, other than obvious idiots and easily controlled orcs, care to 'throw stones'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everything ever seems one thing until it isn't. you know ?
mircea_popescu: decimation they're in fact the opposite sides of the same coin.
asciilifeform: as it does not guarantee that the 'generals' march simultaneously or in any useful pattern at all
mircea_popescu: decimation you see the difference between being king and being, allegedly, a nation ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the principal problem of the byznatines was their cowardice
asciilifeform: suicidal courage is but one solution to the byzantine generals conundrum
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 05:34:16; mircea_popescu: decimation suppose you were king, and ordered the leningrad of paris. what then ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the rebellion thing is not a cowardice problem as such but actually a byzantine generals problem.
asciilifeform: 'if the chinese were to jump from stools 1 metre heigh upon hearing the signal over the radio...'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever have a ru physics textbook with the jumping chinese example ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: but you said the same plan would not have worked for Louis XVI
asciilifeform: 'The DEA has designed this program to assist with locating, identifying, and seizing bulk currency, guns, and other illicit contraband moving along the southwest border and throughout the United States.'
mircea_popescu: then it can be a "but i dun want to" and everyone can go home happy.
mircea_popescu: fine. just as long as we all stop pretending like this is "impossible" and we understand that it's quite possible, perfectly feasible and practically effective.
mircea_popescu: heh. people keep derping about the 1% but don't really want to be teh 1% eh ?
asciilifeform: and the reason why 1 machinegunner can guard 500 prisoners
Vexual: noone to call
asciilifeform: this is basically solzhenitsyn's theorem
mircea_popescu: ie, less than the fucking effort to build the cardano.
asciilifeform: are there even half a million in north a.
mircea_popescu: so what's the problem, if half a million people shoot half a million cops, they're going to build you a special country club and keep you there with all your friends ?
mircea_popescu: people need to seriously stop worrying about imaginary hobgoblins.
decimation: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/surveillance-national-rifle-association-cars-license-plates/2015/01/28/id/621159/ << " The National Rifle Association is investigating reports that a leading federal agent proposed using license-plate readers to scan vehicles at gun shows as part of a gun-trafficking crackdown."
mircea_popescu: i dun recall what that was ?
asciilifeform: but who will take it.
asciilifeform: which is to say, a good bit of
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your advice makes the same amount of sense as solzhenitsyn's
mircea_popescu: what exactly are they gonna do ? feed you for the next 30 years ? big whoop.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << <mircea_popescu> then start shooting police officers coming to steal the cash.
asciilifeform: cash << guess who'll be waiting for the cash car on the interstate.
mircea_popescu: stop pussy-fucking-footing all around the broken, shattered remains of a thing that no longer exists.
mircea_popescu: make a point about how the enemy IS THE ENEMY
mircea_popescu: he should start doing actually roi able advertising. create a festival. say in the place where they stole that guy's cattle grazing.
mircea_popescu: decimation see, this is the whine of an idiot.
mircea_popescu: in a year or two
mircea_popescu: this may be one of the first ones that has made a profit.
mircea_popescu: jesus these idiots.
decimation: '“Google could be doing business with firearms businesses. The thing is they won’t because of their stance [against firearms]. I can’t advertise on Google. I can’t advertise on Facebook. I can’t use Amazon, because they prohibit the majority of my products. I closed down that account over a year ago, and I still get notices from them, regardless of the emails I sent to them telling them that I’m not selling with them.”
asciilifeform: 'Karrasch also found he could not use the popular accounting software QuickBooks to pay receipts because of the nature of his business.' --- enjoy 'the cloud' !
mircea_popescu: we've made more good law here in the past year than the us congress in the past decade.
mircea_popescu: the usg has no priviledged relationship with the law. it's a poor mockery thereof.
asciilifeform: just not the boomsticks themselves (regulated)
asciilifeform: 'I can’t use Amazon, because they prohibit the majority of my products.' -- plenty of small-arms related junk on 'amazon'
decimation: the problem is that the vector usg uses is civilization-destroying. essentially "obey the law" becomes more of a farce until it becomes a laughing matter
Vexual: do you pay the tickets for your limo mp?
asciilifeform: 'maintain small government' is like 'maintain small tumour.'
decimation: in this metaphor, us citizens are henpecked betas?
mircea_popescu: and it goes from there.
mircea_popescu: and fwiw a principle i studiously observed throughout my life and in all aspects so far. cop wants to bitch about tickets, his department can enjoy thirty eight different lawsuits.
mircea_popescu: this is how small government is both obtained and maintained, and this is how a country that actually works is preserved.
mircea_popescu: government is the bitch. the slightest getting in your way must be met with disproportionately escalated response until it either dies or gives up.
Vexual: and a days folding money might fit in the back pocket
mircea_popescu: not the right approach. bitch talks back, she gets slapped. she starts crying, she gets beaten. she screams, she gets cut loose.
asciilifeform: well that's usg.
Vexual: i like the art deco font, reminds me of a time i can't possibly remember
mircea_popescu: the nontriviality there is a little ofsometing else. the thought process of "she's a total bitch, let me try and work with her nevertheless" is responsible for more unhappy marriages than any other thing.
asciilifeform: and someone would still have to come up with electronic bezzlars to pay tax with - or the tax squads descend
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: e.g., everybody in the store would need to move to that planet
decimation: usg ought to be careful with pushing this kind of shit, you don't want the little people to become confused about banking
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see the old threads re: nontriviality of hooking up to cash world from scratch
mircea_popescu: make a steak out of the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: then start shooting police officers coming to steal the cash.
mircea_popescu: decimation pity they don't have the backbone (and leadership) to start a cash only program, and publicly denounce banking as a scam.
mircea_popescu: telling them to get fucked THEN will be much lulzier.
mircea_popescu: i can;t wait for when it's not about the block size but about the total bitcoins, and it's noit about "saving africa" but about saving ubs, and the howlers are not on the forum but on every tv screen,
decimation: "The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee released a report last month showing the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) targeted gun dealers and other businesses like payday lenders and pawn shops as illegal operations, and pressured banks to halt dealing with these businesses. The administration’s program is now known as Operation Choke Point, which is run by the Departments of Justice and Treasury."
assbot: How The Federal Government Puts The Screws Into Gun Businesses | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dz9PHf )
decimation: asciilifeform: re: 'drugs in toilet' << the simple version is 'ur bezzlars be our bezzlars now!' http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/23/gun-businesses-seek-ways-to-survive-while-denied-basic-business-services/
asciilifeform: 'the bus, mmm, broke down, mm. -we're- the bus now.' --- 'bangbus'