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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu:
there is
too much serial raising of funds. like its a mental illness or something.
the_scourge: is it ok
to verify in channel or is
that
too chatty
trinque: I
thought I was going
to have
to re-chew
the blockchain up from first funding each
time
to see whether "new shit had come
to light"
thestringpuller: well sometimes it seems "blah raised x money" and you're like "why do
they need
that money so badly? Are
they having
trouble staying alive?"
trinque: mircea_popescu:
this blockchain is for deedbot
trinque: ben_vulpes and I were
talking about blockchain forks when last we hacked it up, but I guess
that does not mean
transactions will have
to be retransmitted?
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for
the_scourge with note: new blood, seems like a reasonable fella, presently
the_scourge: er apparently having a 1 isn't good enough
to give it away
trinque: mircea_popescu: having read logs it seems like everything I was worrying about regarding
timestamp-transactions is moot
the_scourge: grrr it was UX issues ...
tmux buffers + whitespace.... more excuses, more excuses
trinque: m-my blockchain... 'tis
to
the 18th of
the present month!
kakobrekla: err,
there is no session
to be 'logged in'
mircea_popescu: which is why i don't particularly mind gavin
trying
to create a scamcoin, nor whatever "public oppinion" support he may muster.
mircea_popescu: as soros proved for
the benefit of
the bank of england.
mircea_popescu: you can always derive a profit by attacking unmonetized goods, or rather ; by exploiting
the false claim of anyone putting forth an unmonetized good as money.
mircea_popescu: the wardens are dead.
the invisible hand however... myeah.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin stable state is where > 50% of all energy generated on planet earth goes
to mininmg.
the_scourge: right, but for
the issue at present: POW will always be vulnerable
to hardness attacks, because
there are bad?unlikeable?big? people in
the world who can do a lot of work and ruin
the fun for everyone, even if we ignore
their fork of
the chain. btc got very lucky in
that it slipped under
the radar, but
that will never happen again in history.
the wardens have been alerted
mircea_popescu: more generally,
that nothing other
than bitcoin can really exist
the_scourge: i read
that article, it seemed
to be saying
that smaller POW protocols would always be subject
to hardness attacks
mircea_popescu: all
the others are derivatives of its monetization,
they can't have
their own.
mircea_popescu: the generals are
that you can have only one monetized good
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why
there is no such
thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1IGVwSi )
the_scourge: so if we're
talking about
the main fork of
the chain,
then... idk you have
to ellaborate
the_scourge: ok well define 'bitcoin'
then in
the context... like it or not LOTS of people are working on lots of implementations which lots of people are using/will use
the_scourge: cool, can you clarify? i like prose so feel free
to link
mircea_popescu: the_scourge
the notion
that anyone works on bitcoin or in any manner relevant
to bitcoin outside of
this channel is laughable on its face.
mircea_popescu: name should be based on
the actual world not on
the current
chetty: when did Erik Voorhees get
to be a 'VC' ?
the_scourge: admittedly,
that last one consists of 'shit
that already exists' - small unit
tactics. but a lot of it is high-tech and needs work
the_scourge: asciilifeform: comms, hardware, 'corporate' governance, sovereignty
techology
the_scourge: imperial immediacy ... gonna have
to look
that one up :)
the_scourge: ok, so other
than
the microscope paper (which is a bit high-level) what exactly can/should/could be done with bitcoin itself? why not just skip
to working on
the other stuff and let
the existing bitcoin maintainers work out
their shit.
there are plenty of people who oppose
the foundation already
mircea_popescu: im neither. i'm a fucking guelph.
that's a white flag you see behind, and
the battle is for imperial immediacy not bs.
the_scourge: wanting
to undo
the new deal and sufferage etc only makes you a slightly redder republican, or a backbencher
tory
mircea_popescu: jurov o splendid, i got a mod notice and everything. i like how
this works.
the_scourge: er, maybe i blame
the mob more
than
their journalists... whatever
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: right, i was
talking about
the world at large. you can stick a fork in journalistic integrity, it's done
mircea_popescu: part of why we're here is exactly
that : making paper money impossible -> making
the welfare governments impossible -> making
the "public oppiunion" impossible -> undo
the numerous errors of
the 20th century.
the_scourge: right so you're saying nefarious
things are being attempted but
the attempts are hopeless even within
the main branch of blockchain
mircea_popescu: in gold backed words,
that game wasn't lost, nor was it ever played.
mircea_popescu: <the_scourge> like we're back in a weird 'sleuth and journalist > public opinion' game which was lost a LONG
time ago << public opinion only matters in fiat backed worlds.
the_scourge: is
the experiment discussed in last night's logs?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mod6 ^ does
that sound like something
teh foundation might support ?
the_scourge: which,
the seed nodes would be a good vector for such a
thing
the_scourge: well i
take it your goal is
to prevent nefarious hijacking of bitcoind, done in such a way
that everyone upgrades and long after it is realized
that
the network is resultingly compromised?
the_scourge: like we're back in a weird 'sleuth and journalist > public opinion' game which was lost a LONG
time ago
the_scourge: idk man i appreciate your sleuthing and keep it up but holding
the btc foundation's feet
to
the fire will NEVER work
the_scourge: i've given it my long key id... it says invalid (so quickly i have a hard
time believing it even did a search)
the_scourge: i'm being a mong with
this !register command
the_scourge: why would
they select such a node? surely no reason other
than "this operator is keeping up
to date" would need
to be given
the_scourge: asciilifeform: who was asserting
that
there were nodes < v0.8
mircea_popescu: it's not me
trying
to build a parallel, closed universe.
jurov: yes, saving it as
txt would help. but best
to fix it for once.