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phillipsjk: Currently Bitcoin is
testing whether a secure, networked application is even possible.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: you're aware
that monero's an experiment, right?
phillipsjk: That is
the primary reason I am wary of Monero actually. 1 minute block|
phillipsjk: I always cringe when lusers on
the forum brags some alt has faster "confirmation"
times.
ben_vulpes: propagation of blocks over
the network was at
that
time...weird.
ben_vulpes: once upon a
time, blocks were of unbounded size
trinque: dude
the average block size has
to be what, 250kb right now?
phillipsjk: <ben_vulpes> anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and
the system isn't even in steady-state yet.
fluffypony: phillipsjk:
the 1MB limit is not
to stop spam.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk:
the 1MB limit is not
to stop spam.
punkman: phillipsjk:
the 1MB limit is not
to stop spam
phillipsjk: It has and will change.
The 1MB block limit was introduced
to stop spam. You seem
to be more militant
than luke-Jr who called Bitcoin gambling sites spam. You appear
to call all "trivial"
transactions spam.
punkman: did anyone
try running phoundation's 0.6 ?
ben_vulpes: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed <<
that's familiar
phillipsjk: Well, I guess I have
to read logs
to learn your "roadmap"
danielpbarron: are we supposed
to have read your post history on some forum while you have not read
the history here?
ben_vulpes: anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and
the system isn't even in steady-state yet.
phillipsjk: ben_vulpes, I have always assumed
that if Bitcoin users commonly used Windows or IOS, we will learn
that some major company had an "insider" push BItcoin stealing malware. (I
think I mentioned
that within my first 10 Bitcointalk posts.)
ben_vulpes: at
this point, i'm seriously entertaining
the notion
that phillipsjk is 3 phillipinos frantically composing sentences
that sort-of make sense in english
trinque: you want
to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd
the
thing and decide it must have a visa built in
☟︎ ben_vulpes: phillipsjk:
the vast majority of people run winblowz and use iOS devices. are we
to count
them in our set of people who might use bitcoin someday?
trinque: all sorts of other financial instruments can be derived from bitcoin once
the
thing itself is safe
ben_vulpes: <trinque> get your forklift << not a bad analogy. preserving private keys is
tough.
punkman: phillipsjk:
the proposal is not
to have 1MB block forever and ever
phillipsjk: The
top 1% will be lucky
to buy Bitcoin once per decade.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: proles will be lucky
to buy a fraction of a bitcoin once per decade.
ben_vulpes: too bad he insists on waltzing in here and
telling us about how
the proletariat must
transact in bitcoin several
times per year.
danielpbarron: i feel like
this confusion phillipsjk is having would be easily resolved by reading
the log for 6 months or so :p
phillipsjk: How many
transaction per decade do you expect people
to need?
ben_vulpes: if you
touch bitcoin, you are going up against
the fiat state. end of story.
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is a store of value and a way
to move money around without governmental interference.
trinque: and I'll do a goddamn million
tps
trinque: or hell, let me run
trinquecoin from my laptop; I'll be
the whole network
trinque: what
TPS will
the network do if it fails entirely?
trinque: phillipsjk: dem stats is not
the fucking point
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: anyone who could hold bitcoin (in
the sense of actually controlling
their keys, robustly) should
trivially be able
to wield either credit cards or local fiat
danielpbarron: it's not
that banks are bad; it's
that fiat is bad. A bitcoin bank could work well. A service
that holds bitcoin for you and lets you spend it with a debit card or something
trinque: ben_vulpes: better just finish
that yerself
trinque: I'm at like 37% of rsync'ing leveldb
turds up
to
the server
ben_vulpes: you've made no argument as
to
this 1e6 number.
phillipsjk: The problem is with 1MB blocks, Bitcoin will only be used for inter-bank settlements. Either
that, or remain a niche. We are
talking less
than 1 million users world-wide.
ben_vulpes: even
though all i can ever aspire
to own in
terms of vehicle is
that crown jewel in
the plastic bezzle crown (the honda element), i yet recognize
those valuable scarce and uncounterfeitable
things like bitcoin and well-husbanded women.
ben_vulpes: the 1mb line is about preserving
that scarcity in
the face of all who'd
turn gold into paper in Schwabe accounts and make your dollar into ninety cents
tomorrow.
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is a rare, scarce, unpollutable
thing unlike everything else under
the domain of
the fiat
tyrants.
Vexual: ross about
to get sentenced
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: well pipe down, read logs, learn something and
then start derping about "power
trips"
Vexual: that got elanors
tits? punkman?
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk:
the san-serif headers are kinda..bleh
phillipsjk: Buy and sell BItcoin following
the *letter* of
the law. I am passive-aggressive
that way.
Vexual: what are you actually
trying
to do?
ben_vulpes: why'd i
think
that a
thing you've dropped for 2.5 months would ever see any action?
phillipsjk has not worke on
that in like 75 days months
ben_vulpes: i know you don't like
the guy, but nuking his record?
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: don't make me finish
this bottle aone,
trinque
ben_vulpes: no more
than merely existing gives you a say in how
the world works.
ben_vulpes: absolutely none of
this qualifies you
to have an opinion about block size.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: no need
to summarize your *one* rating for me.
phillipsjk: ben_vulpes, got imported from gribble. I
trade with him
phillipsjk: ;;later
tell mircea_popescu I sincerely hope
the 1MB line in
the sand is not simply a power-trip.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk:
the last million
transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets
that inhibit address reuse
trinque: ben_vulpes: hah yes let
the banks imitate
the fucking valley
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> now i can't quite beat
the
thing senseless with my helmet as, well, ussa << disappeared into sack?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or let's have water polling bottle on what shape
to be. <<Water is perfect for polling bottle of its volume
trinque: let me get
the
thing
to publish once and I'll see if you're still up for a cig
ben_vulpes: now i can't quite beat
the
thing senseless with my helmet as, well, ussa
ben_vulpes: and
then proceeeds
to march over
to intimidate me
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> []
trinque actually
they'll fight you,
too. more
than one woman got scared shitless of flocks of geese <<
this one
time i was eating a burrito on
the waterfront
trinque: the reactive model of just firing up reading when
there's some light
to do it by is nice
trinque: BingoBoingo: or say I only read when
the light is on
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What of lamps
that monitor/diagnose issues with mains power,
totally a query.
trinque: lots of reasons
treated by smarter guys
than myself
trinque: select * from qntra; -- streaming version would give me new articles
that occur after
the query was begun