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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's what inspired taking the piece this direction
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: turbotax article << see also last night's thread re: identity fraud in usa.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's a nice one
BingoBoingo just pines for the day breech will be the correct version more often on qntra.
mircea_popescu: dude i really like this qntra thing. about 1/3 of what i hated about the obsolete press were mistakes. being able to go hey x, Y! makes me all fucking warm and fuzzy inside.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, that again.
kakobrekla: only true bezzle can provide
asciilifeform: further suggesting that the latter was a 'loss leader' all along
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: thus far, found nothing remotely approaching the bang/buck ratio of pogo
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i distinctly recall seeing this figure here earlier
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah they run out of stock, not looking like they want to replenish it either.
kakobrekla: prolly nobody cares but i just checked for fun whats the pogo cost in europe; its 55 dorra.
assbot: TurboTax Stops Filing State Tax Returns Due To Massive Fraud | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnZ2lA )
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, it seems the alsa | pulseaudio difference was in fact bitterly preserved. one of those underground wars people like me tend to embarass themselves by not noticing.
mircea_popescu: don't even realise squeezing necks is what gets things done.
mircea_popescu: also not entirely unconnected with open source peace and love nitwits who far from knowing which necks to squeeze,
asciilifeform: not entirely unconnected with the gpu vendors' behaviour.
mircea_popescu: people tried to get games going on the platform, 2007-8ish to about 2012. it failed.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is a major point. the death of the linux is not exactly unrelated toi the major disappointment of the money makers.
mircea_popescu: "Even in 2014, you cannot use PulseAudio for competetive gaming on Linux. Not that it matters anyway. Even Valve abandoned Linux."
asciilifeform: iirc there are not yet poetteringisms in the mainline kernel.
mircea_popescu: but then pulseaudio swallowed it.
mircea_popescu: iirc there existed an alsa as a kernel module
the_scourge: alsa was what he tried to replace
mircea_popescu: stuff that almost works for its lifetime is worse than no stuff.
the_scourge: he did the other one
asciilifeform: it actually has a closer resemblance to the perverse programming languages discussed earlier in this thread, than to systemd
mircea_popescu: this is even skipping the "ambitious nobody proponent with a history of failure up to that point"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indulge me : tries to take over everything ? check. crashes all the time ? check. two matches, good enough.
the_scourge: urbit is yarvin's thing
asciilifeform: had a perverse functional-programming master's thesis disguised as an open source project, yes
asciilifeform: mr mold did not, last i heard, ever publish anything analogous to systemd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was the curtis yarvin brand of systemd called ? i forget ?
danielpbarron: i don't care how fast it boot since it shouldn't have to do that more than once (depending on the stability of your electric)
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that a) not really and b) a machine's not really supposed to boot anyway
mircea_popescu: how is poettering to sell a shitty re-implementation of yarvin's pile of crap ? PROCLAIM LOUDLY THAT IT BOOTS FASTLY.
asciilifeform: at any rate, it pretty much has to be a 'buildroot' script in the end. so as everything ends up in a ro-mountable flash image.
the_scourge: asciilifeform: if you're implying it's not lightweight, only systemd and the kernel are installed off the bat. and some guys have done work on a systemdless setup
mircea_popescu: it's only to make use of the "much faster boot"
danielpbarron: i've noticed that it needs constant supervision, yes
asciilifeform: danielpbarron has probably noticed that pieces of 'systemd' crash every few hrs. on that box
mircea_popescu: in any case purge that systemd atrocity , as a matter of principle if not necessarily practicality.
asciilifeform: the_scourge: trololol!
asciilifeform: the_scourge: 'NixOS 14.12 “Caterpillar” has been released, the third stable release branch. It brings Linux 3.14, systemd 217, Glibc 2.20, KDE 4.14.1, and much more.'
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> danielpbarron: eventual goal, i dare say, is a fully-automated reflasher that drops in something sane. << quite
danielpbarron: i get the feeling they intentionally leave things out of their guides to force the user to figure it out
the_scourge: danielpbarron: nixos has a pretty good balance of minimal and predictable (even for noobs), have you considered that?
danielpbarron: yeah the instructions at this point are only for advanced users :/
asciilifeform: 'buildroot' is the ticket
assbot: Lisp in Small Pieces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnX3xo )
the_scourge: asciilifeform: would https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_in_Small_Pieces be a good place to start with such excercises?
danielpbarron: yeh i'd like to use something other than arch but that's what i've figured out for now
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: eventual goal, i dare say, is a fully-automated reflasher that drops in something sane.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: this gives you a rather heavyweight linux - with systemd, even.
asciilifeform: writing a (demented but functional) c compiler and (very old-fashioned, to the point of braindamage) lisp interp. used to be standard homework assignments
asciilifeform: the tell-tale symptom of a programming language that does far too much behind the scenes is when its users seldom, if ever, study the implementation
the_scourge: although a few things came up when i started looking into it that turned me off haskell
the_scourge: i'll have to look at the haskell implementation
the_scourge learned nix over christmas and thought about learning haskell
asciilifeform: don't take my word for this, look at how they are implemented
assbot: Shen (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnWkfM )
the_scourge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shen_(programming_language) < "an integrated fully functional Prolog" hrm you're right about the latter
asciilifeform: just about everything pushed as 'pure functional' (haskell, standard ml, etc.) to a large extent operate via pattern matching
the_scourge: right but that's only tru of Qi, not Shen
asciilifeform not a fan of 'pattern matching' languages a la prolog where the operator has no possible way of having the faintest clue what an operation will cost
asciilifeform: did not find it interesting enough to bother with a writeup.
the_scourge: did you do a writeup? i've grepped for such to no avail :(
asciilifeform: may still be there.
asciilifeform: the_scourge: there was, at least in the past, a 'google groups' thing for it.
asciilifeform: iirc tarver eventually gave up and went off to hell knows where.
the_scourge: anywhere i can go to get some honest opinions on his work then?
the_scourge: asciilifeform: you know that mark tarver guy you linked to, are you familiar with his Qi and Chen languages?
the_scourge: the team working for me has maybe a dozen and then a massive team in manila that another contractor manages. it's ... depressing
the_scourge: the one that got ddos'd
the_scourge has been desperately trying to avoid learning scheme/Qi for years, fearing never being able to hold a 'productive' contract again
assbot: Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnUThj )
the_scourge: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=69 < this summarizes nicely every smoke break rant i had at the junior devs onsite today
mircea_popescu: just talk around the math involved, hire the people out of work once gavin gets forgotten about.
the_scourge: thats and acceptable threat model considering there are HUMANS involved that can fuck up and give away the keys to te kingdom
mircea_popescu: i wonder if one could kickstart an experimental vehicle for space vacuum filtration to extract gold and other rare metals.
asciilifeform: and not in the vacuum of space, either - there are loose H2 atoms bouncing there
the_scourge: :) funny how that works
the_scourge: my guns are all los too
the_scourge: and WoT to eject untrustworthy nodes
asciilifeform: the_scourge: but wireless links between streets would then be secure ?
the_scourge: then the only alternative would be meshes
the_scourge: um if we had no way to secure comms on the wild internet, where layers 1-4 can be listened to by demotists (i wouldn't mind if it was a monarch),
asciilifeform: the_scourge: wai, wat?! if secure crypto were unknown, it then would be more urgent?
the_scourge: asciilifeform++ thanks, very interesting bit of kit
the_scourge: >wireless cards could in principle be used for forming local meshes, etc. but this is for other folks to study < as long as cryptography is secure, then it's not urgent. but very interesting
asciilifeform: it's one of those all-in-one soc things.
the_scourge: uh that's a wireless chip? i thought we're talking about cpu. i.e. mips
the_scourge: asciilifeform: that vocore was just crowdfunded recently. i think they fullfilled initial orders sometime in the past year. i didn't know they were mips!!
mircea_popescu: exactly that. a pointed disdain of any rule and regulation not gpg signed as so much crud.
asciilifeform: except the obvious pill is to forget the 802.11 crap and use straight sdr
mircea_popescu: great tech, in principle.
mircea_popescu: writing a proper wifi thing for the new world is not on this year's plate.
asciilifeform: and ideally you'd want one that doesn't dma
asciilifeform: wireless cards could in principle be used for forming local meshes, etc. but this is for other folks to study
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform not thrilled with the wireless thing, but it seems to be inescapable in small embedded crapatrons << There's probably a role somewhere for a kind of node with it. Plugged in at "Free Wifi" coffee shop or library. connects to open network, changes MAC address when booted from network. Has script to handled shrink wrap license pages when encountered.