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mircea_popescu: that's the principal point here. it's not a "technology". it's not an invention. bitcoin is a discovery.
ben_vulpes: what could be more awesome than the knowledge that the system will have 21M coins...FOREVER?
beetcoin: what role should bitcoin play then?
mircea_popescu: one million lines is it ? should be about a year, for someone that is professionally qualified to read.
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: more like "collected works of mark twain"
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, heh yeah at least log.b-a is finite; can't that /that/ long to read
nubbins`: ben_vulpes that's like saying one can either read a brief history of time or their cereal box
mircea_popescu: now... if OUR node was better, to privilege it would make sense. and itd; be worth WAY more than the five bux or w/e on tap.
ben_vulpes: reddit, in this case, counts as a forum.
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: one can either read the forums, or the log. not both.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem is that if you penalize nodes for misbehaving thus, you'll just in practice randomly cut them off. as thery all do.
asciilifeform: i was specifically thinking about the out-of-order crapolade.
beetcoin: I have read some of the logs, but it is rather a lot to read
beetcoin: maybe those aren't the best words
nubbins`: perhaps the forseeable future
mircea_popescu: you should prolly read the logs eh.
beetcoin: not that I necessarily disagree,
beetcoin: I'm curious about the general sentiment around here that says bitcoin should not scale. That it is not for "the common man".
mircea_popescu: you end up throwingaway bw.
nubbins`: set max number of connections, threshold for abandoning slow peers
mircea_popescu: funny how botomless the capacity of these people to generate conflicting names.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i strictly meant the point discussed above, "bootstrap"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'torrent' in the usual sense would be braindamaged. but nodes loading blocks from more than one peer - is a must.
BingoBoingo: jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << I thought 0.7.2 and later all support it, 0.7.2 being the only version to unpack it as BDB blockchain
mircea_popescu: ok i delete the first two keep the last ?
thestringpuller: fucking << don't work in trilema
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: sorry for comment spam on trilema
Naphex: >>> He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted. | lmao!
mircea_popescu: ;;rate phantomcircuit -10 Aka Patrick Strateman. That he has the unmitigated audacity to pretend he is a Bitcoin dev is unsurprising for the history of this felon. His name is permanently besmirched by one of the most inept frauds in the history of Bitcoin (Bitcoinica). He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted.
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punkman: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2340 "nobody uses nlocktime, how am I gonna built stupid shit on top of it. I know let's make the core wallet use nlocktime on all the transactions."
mircea_popescu: ie, back when all the idiots thought they're bitcoin coders.
mircea_popescu: and that he is also one of the MOST inept "coders" involved in the early stages.
mircea_popescu: Naphex someone remind strateman that a) he is a fucking felon fraudster, whose name is forever besmirched by one of bitcoin's most idiotic heists (bitcoinica)
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/epic-v-dhs-15-0210.pdf << BingoBoingo: wanna clean this up & try an article ?
beetcoin: I'm not in the WoT yet.
mircea_popescu: such sense this makes i couldn't begin to tell you.
mircea_popescu: "this is the right thing and in your best interest, and we're so certain of this we'll pay you to do it."
nubbins`: i'll put a pin in this, too ^
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i hope they do this as you describe it, easily maximal lulz.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/euloraleaks/
mircea_popescu: which fails to explain how come some people own millions worth of gear and reddit can barely afford a webcam, but hey.
mircea_popescu: this is so totally happening, everyone has reddit's memory.
nubbins`: they're doing it to push the first block of a fork
mircea_popescu: yeah, because gavin really has a coupla k bitcoins laying around to "repay" the miners that bit a steel girder by trusting him.
nubbins`: if they're shelling out cash, they're not doing it for a user-settable agent string
mircea_popescu: LIKE EVERY SINGLE PREVIOUS TIME
mircea_popescu: anbd then discover you actually fucked up the code
nubbins`: make a >1MB block and pay nodes that relay it
nubbins`: web dev equivalent: "don't target the browser, target the features"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: congrats on scoring the pogos!
mircea_popescu: if they manage to do it well, all the better, goes into actual fork.
nubbins`: well, y'know the next step
mircea_popescu: if it could be done it'd have been in the fucking protocol.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes, easy. question was about the logic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i already bought a bunch of the pogo guys
nubbins`: would be pretty lelly to publicly fire up a few k's of .foundation nodes on EC2 and start claiming dat money
mircea_popescu: becayuse while someone may take 1 buck a day to noide, as nubbins` says, they won't fuck up a node for chump change.
nubbins`: seems easy enough to write a patch that changes version string
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's exactly my point. let them spend their resources paying nodes to node, it's useful. they are incentivized to maximize numbers, which means they will be paying nodes that are conformant to us.
asciilifeform: nsa can always donationwash another or ten.
mircea_popescu: yaya, fake foudation doesn't actually have what to pay gavin with for the rest of this year. had they stayed in the us they'd have been open to some pretty lulzy litigation.
asciilifeform: if actually happens, even - it's chump bait. 0.8.6 nodes that will be 'seamlessly upgrades' to gavincoin (how? easy - will lose most history, faux verification from that point on, etc.)
mircea_popescu: so let them do something useful for once in their lifetime, it's not a bad thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't the entire discussion about how someone (who ?) is going to (citation needed) pay some loose change to everyone that runs a node ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah that. ^ they'll be paying (chump change, apparently) for satanic nodes.
mircea_popescu: let idiots FINALLY pay nodes to node, after five years wasted power rangering, because mp said so. win-win.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which this ?
mircea_popescu: why exactly is this bad and why exactly should this be fixed ?
mircea_popescu: notice who is driving this boat : i want to improve incentive structure for nodes ? they execute.
mircea_popescu: oh lulzy, so they're going to skip safe nodes from whatever harebrained changetip scheme they came up with next ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is very easy to set. but i wanted to see logic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason is that the nude woman is perfectly safe in the manly company of the impotent.
mircea_popescu: or i guess i'll ask danielpbarron to include instructions on how to arbitrarily set it.
mircea_popescu: but if it's a serious point of concern, either move the version string in the config file ☟︎
asciilifeform: in general i agree re: 'wrestling with the pig', but i'm at a loss re: how we aren't simply wearing bull's eyes for no particular reason
mircea_popescu: the correct thing to do is to ignore stupid not to code up to stupid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, reacting to idiots is an inept policy. you will end up with egg on your face.
mircea_popescu: "we fixed your car and your wife, overal the parts count has conserved"
asciilifeform: '...so nodes running an older protocol version will be skipped.' << phoundation's answer to us, yes. anyone contemplating kelvin versioning again ? why should enemy have this much of an easy time with rejecting our nodes?
mircea_popescu: "Skipping a bunch of details, they left something in her and it was the cause of last week's night in the ER. The working theory is it is a part from the surgical robot that got dislodged or broken off as all their sponge, suture, and staple counts were on. Regardless, it wasn't there before and it is now and I have no idea what the fuck is going to happen next. According to my wife, the surgeon is of the opinion that
mircea_popescu: not that much to the clean shirt theory if one looks closely at the seams.
mircea_popescu: i am terribly curious how the us would look should the eu decide to sanction IT for half a year.
mircea_popescu: for that matter... russia has been "under sanctions" for half a year.
asciilifeform: usa 'cleanest shirt in the room' << healthiest horse in the glue factory
mircea_popescu: it's not true that it meant in this context.
mircea_popescu: it's true that an online blog the boys read said clean shirt wins.
mircea_popescu: her name's monetization, and that's the whole story.
mircea_popescu: in the woods cabin that is this world, the us shirt sits on the chest of a 16 yo, and his brother the 15yo yurp wears a dirtier one. Nevertheless, the absolute dirtiest one is worn by the 32 yo chinese man, whose shirt is dirty because he's the ony one who gets to fuck the only local woman
mircea_popescu: anyway, it doesn't matter that the us is the cleanest shirt in the room. that's not really the criteria.
ben_vulpes: these are "NPR" reporters - they've no idea that MPEx even exists.
mircea_popescu: "cleanest shirts of the shirts we're willing to see" doesn't have quite the same... flavour
mircea_popescu: except it's not. mpex also in that room.
ben_vulpes: "cleanest shirt in the room" is the phrase i hear our financial "pundits" bandy about.
mircea_popescu: except china has more and much dudlier assets than you could ever imagine.
mircea_popescu: exactly like the us counterparts.
ben_vulpes: how do these "chinese liquidity injections" actually work?
mircea_popescu: there are people who would take a fucking picture of a fucking poster for fifty bucks
nubbins`: there are people who would do this for a buck a month