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decimation: asciilifeform: did you know
that
the 'national archives' nearby your house contains microfiche of captured WWII nazi records?
Adlai: maybe i should stop
thinking
Adlai: the more i
think about it,
the more it seems
that nicks are a second layer on
top of
the wot, provided by specific wot nodes - either a centralized nick->node mapping like assbot, or individual gossipd configs
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu:
Taged mega lol for a reason
mircea_popescu: ocused on desktop features,
they're leaving it up
to
the DEs
to do so."
mircea_popescu: "Consider
this: In
the past 10 years has
the distribution you run changed significantly in what it offers over other distributions? I
think you'll find
the answer is largely no. I do have
to give a shout out
to openSUSE for
the OBS, but otherwise I've used my desktop in
the same exact way
that I have always used it within
the continuity of distribution X,Y, or Z since I started using
them. Distributions simply aren't f
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2015 01:12:18; kakobrekla: because split personalities belong
to #bitcoin-insane-asylum
decimation: but not smoked, I would like
to
try
them smoked
decimation: the 'king oskars' have
two layers of little fish packed in oil
mircea_popescu: mike_c: hm. is it kosher for
two nicks in
the wot
to have
the same gpg key? << notrly. is
this observable ?
decimation: I eat
those regularly, king oskar brand
decimation: actually a sprat is
the same
thing as a 'brisling'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: while everyone knows
the caveats of
the 'million fly eyes',
the concept of closed source os is really dead forever << agreed.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not proper mind you, but a
tease.
decimation: BingoBoingo: where do you find it? none of
the groceries around here stock kippers
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: More RAM makes <<
there's a legitimate "keep blockchain on ramdisk"
thing. sadly... it won't be feasible. it's luxury.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> decimation what srsly ?! << Pickled hering much more common is USia. We care
to stock for our Joos but not eastern Europeans
decimation: asciilifeform:
they sell sprats on amazon for $$$
mircea_popescu: by
the way, i scored a major victory in
the battle with culinary darkness.
decimation: the median usian has a strange aversion
to
tinned fish of all kinds
mircea_popescu: so, is
the
trilema server going
to be closed down by
the evil forces of "bitlove, llc" ? what's
the crowd wisdom say ?
decimation: finding proper kippers is difficult in
the us
mircea_popescu: i guess you'll prolly be left out of
the future si
trade
too...
mircea_popescu: you'll buy
them at costco, like you buy smoked herring
today.
mircea_popescu: how is
the car gonna grow you distilled hydrocarbonds, decimation ?
decimation: how is
the 'ic printer' gonna grow you a pure si substrate?
mircea_popescu: nah, say by 2030-2050 you will be able
to buy one of
today's ic printers in
the size of a 3d printer
mircea_popescu: and electronics hit
their wall, half a decade or so ago.
decimation: eh, I don't see how
the
tech is getting cheaper either
mircea_popescu: quite Adlai's point. for as long as
there's refinement available, it goes one way
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same could have been said about printing, 1600
to 1800.
Adlai: but
there's an inflection point.
the deskjet printer would have seemed equally wonderous
to a (human) printer in 1700 and in 1850, despite
the former being
twice as far away
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, moore's dead, and
the
thing will suffer
the exact fate of printing.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: So Free world chip foundries are what, 5
to 20 years out? << about
that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ^ specifically prohibited in
the export control statute << except
the us exports diddly squat. it imports everything
Adlai: i guess
the question is, what purpose does
the wot serve? is it just a way of programming
the congregation's robotic doormen, or is it something more?
mike_c: and are more likely
to change keys
than nicks
Adlai: let
the user assign nicknames, let wot nodes publish a signed message of which nicks
they use, let wot nodes produce signed lists of which nicks
they
trust as which nodes... endless possibilities can be built on
top, but why make nicks part of
the fundamental model?
they're not first class citizens. keys are.
BingoBoingo: <Adlai> let's
take a step back.
the wot should be about who
trusts whom, and
trust is verified on
the basis of signatures. i see no reason why node identity should be based on anything other
than signing keys. << limit in wetware when parsing single identity multiple nicks
mike_c: well,
that's
the pgp wot
Adlai: you can have a wot (and anything built on
top, such as gossipd) without nicks entering
the equation
Adlai: let's
take a step back.
the wot should be about who
trusts whom, and
trust is verified on
the basis of signatures. i see no reason why node identity should be based on anything other
than signing keys.
☟︎ mike_c: i
thought fingerprint would/should be unique
Adlai: ;;google
that's just
the way it is
mike_c: Adlai: yeah, but
that's not how it's done. so it seems fishy
to me.
Adlai: mike_c: i'd rephrase
that as "is it kosher
to associate a single wot node with multiple nicks" ie ratings
to nicks sharing a gpg key should apply
to both equally
BingoBoingo: ^ For
the people who have not suffered
this PC-BSD is equivalent
to a 90's era Winblows reskinning. Ubuntism brough
to FreeBDSM.
mike_c: hm. is it kosher for
two nicks in
the wot
to have
the same gpg key?
BingoBoingo: And of all of
the software I've set up on
the OpenBSD install here fucking emacs is
the only one
that
throws messages at
the
terminal when I invoke it because DBUS is dead.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 17:43:06; mircea_popescu: i guess
this drama's dried up, need
to move on
to something else
to keep
the btc price up.
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Nitrogen requires far stronger (more expensive) cans
to contain same whipping.
Vexual: Is
that right bb nitrogen makes smaller bubbles?
Vexual: smaller bubbles whip
the cream
BingoBoingo: I don't understand either. XFCE straddles
the line of minimum/maximum desktop I can
tolerate given my small screen size and clumsy fingers keeping me off of leaner solution.
decimation: I don't get
the general preference for gnome over kde
BingoBoingo: Mtier = Golden
toilet company
that sells exportable installs of desktop systems for oil rigs et al makes Gnome a centerpiece of
their OpenBSD desktop solution.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So killed Dbus
this weekend on my OpenBSD install. Only
thing asking for DBUS when invoked is Emacs, works fine without DBUS
though.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> although
the rumor I heard back
then was
that most of
the 'smart guys' working on solaris were spending
their working days
trying
to unravel
the gordian knot of kernel locks << But as an Oracle
turd
they can now break whatever
they want in
the name of handling one database faster.