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nubbins`: anyway, i fill two empty bedrooms with like-minded individuals with schedules that suit me
nubbins`: yeah, the socialist paradise. i get hit by a car, they fix me for free
asciilifeform: nubbins`: lol! 6k would not even pay the tax on such a thing here.
nubbins`: it's not at all the grim spectre that all you guys think it is.
nubbins`: but what i'm saying is that while cutting one's income from a gross of ~$60k to a net of ~$6k necessarily involves severe lifestyle changes
nubbins`: consider the statement suitably modified
asciilifeform: a few seconds here and there are enough
asciilifeform: nubbins`: now that part's very easy, you don't need blocks of time to dick on irc
nubbins`: how do you suppose i can manage this?
nubbins`: and someone with a link to the stats can take a stab at how much time i spend dicking around on irc
nubbins`: just so it's not glossed over, i said earlier that i took a 90% pay cut in 2013
asciilifeform: the most costly piece of equipment is time.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: elementary fact is that i can only keep my wot obligations (s.nsa) if i have present level of equipment and time
nubbins`: you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago?
kakobrekla: seems to me destination is getting further and further away also
nubbins`: asciilifeform that's where the tears come in
ben_vulpes: now *that*s tears.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this requires something to save and some waste to cut
ben_vulpes: move to argentina and do webdev remotely.
asciilifeform: but nubbins` is implying that rocket is unnecessary if iron will
asciilifeform: what's the equivalent of the 'stop gluttony and exercise' here
ben_vulpes: the only thing i can think to do is accumulate capital.
nubbins`: fierce, bitter tears. as opposed to a dull, prolonged weeping.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: sure, but -what kind- of tears
nubbins`: i don't /really/ think i need to tell you guys that tears are a necessary ingredient to un-fucking your situations
asciilifeform: glutton: 'eat 1/10th, take up hard training'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: why dontcha try telling us condemned fools the equivalent
asciilifeform: nubbins`: analogy fall apart easily enough if nudged: you can readily tell the glutton what he would have to do if he were to seize hold of himself and climb out of his fat with iron will
nubbins`: bunch of guys so wrapped up in bezzle trappings that they don't realize their cage door is wide open
ben_vulpes: omg this channel is the most educational thing in my life
nubbins`: why do i get the impression that nobody wants to exit the hamster cage because the wheel and watering tube are really nice and convenient?
asciilifeform: it is also a good approach because it forces all the crud to be expunged with hot iron
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:43; ascii_field: danielpbarron: the netbsd kernel and userland are sufficiently compact (vs linux) to make this a worthwhile exercise
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:11; ascii_field: danielpbarron: at present time there is no support whatoever for the eeprom in netbsd. this means that it can be used, but only if the userland (yes, all of it) is baked into a ramdisk baked into the kernel (which in turn is loaded by uboot in one shot at powerup)
ben_vulpes: for the ignoramuses like myself, how does the ramdisk figure into the pop project?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build.
asciilifeform: cazalla: no, but the cost of electricity, gas and others under the idea of global warming and taxes [and rest of that thread] << if it makes ya feel better - far worse in usa. i, for instance, know for a fact that i will never own any lands here.
thestringpuller: i realize paying taxes is so futile with our insatiable defecit
thestringpuller: fucking uncle sam wanting more and more taxes
Adlai: ... and the jar's floor is a treadmill, each shelf's mills singing a parallel circuit to power the shed's dingy incandescent
asciilifeform: with teleporter ?
chetty: but from the outside he could get the glass cutter and do some damage :P
asciilifeform: he'd have to live for ten thousand years in the jar to make so much as a visible mark in the glass.
mircea_popescu: but i still dun think it's a fair eval.
asciilifeform: or to tell him that in the garden shed where his jar stands, in a toolchest there is a glass-cutter.
mircea_popescu: well this case more closely resembles teh trained electric fence thing
asciilifeform: but to tell mouse that there is no glass, and it is only a figment of his perceptions, is an odd thing imho
mircea_popescu: this is true.
asciilifeform is one of the numerous mice on parade here in #b-a who go 'thchwack' against the glass daily
mircea_popescu: well nao, i'll have to think about that.
asciilifeform: if it costs 100k to be let out of asylum and not have the thorazine injected daily, should we still think of the sanity in the usual sense of the word ?
mircea_popescu: obviously, i'm a great student of the mouse school of jar handling.
asciilifeform: what'd be the 'sanity' ?
mircea_popescu: it can only be considered once what to do is established, and the discussion moves on to how to do it.
mircea_popescu: how convenient something is can not be a part of discussing what to do
asciilifeform: hence the difference
asciilifeform: see, linux is free if you had the upbringing, but 100k might as well be 100kg of plutonium as far as i'm concerned
mircea_popescu: other person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because i'm on bezzle". you average +8, i average the same -1.
mircea_popescu: person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because im on windows". on a scale of -10 to +10, where -10 is "that's ok, you shoulsd use windows" and 10 is "fuck you get off windows anywhay right now no mattert the cost" you average about a -8, i about a -1
asciilifeform: so far i don't disagree - the problem i described could indeed be magicked away entirely and semi-permanently by judicious application of ~100k usd
asciilifeform: except that linux is free (yeah, aha, 'if your time has no value' - well guess what, mine - didn't - as a student)
mircea_popescu: you will notice that we fall on this matter as follows : you're significantly more stringent than me on one score, and significantly laxer than me on the other.
mircea_popescu: yes. like not running windows, it's a "this tall to play" affair.
asciilifeform: need the infrastructure
asciilifeform: this is a 'must be this tall to play' affair, as described above
mircea_popescu: rent as the corp.
mircea_popescu: it is in fact a rehash of the "i can't run bitcoin on linux because i have windows"
asciilifeform: on account of rent not being a tax-deductible item in usa
asciilifeform: for instance, i pay ~1.5x - 2x per sq. metre of housing than my colleagues
asciilifeform: millions do the latter << heavily subsidized by usg
mircea_popescu: it is unwilled, but that is entirely for silly reasons.
mircea_popescu: yet MILLIONS do the latter. do not tell me it is impossible.
mircea_popescu: investing in this infrastructure is 3 or more degrees of magnitude more valuable than investing in college for you your kid your slave your dog.
asciilifeform: but everyone already knew that the problem, after a certain scale, is solvable
mircea_popescu: no, it costs 100k to have the infrastructure in place.
asciilifeform: suddenly it costs $100k to move $100k
mircea_popescu: ah, well, there's more angles to the problem. you need a good tax attorney, a llc structure, etc etc.
asciilifeform: 'get rid of' in the sense of 'make use of without giving half of it to usg'
asciilifeform: in that 'usg knows you had $xxxx that day in your pocket'
mircea_popescu: these aren't the same.
mircea_popescu: see, you're equivocating. one purpose of using cash is anonymity. ANOTHER pourpose is to just get rid of the plutonium crate.
mircea_popescu: but you are, phyusically, using the cahs.
mircea_popescu: it won't be possible for you to anonymously send cash to some guy you don't know. necessarily.
asciilifeform: as was meant to
asciilifeform: so that defeats the purpose of the exercise of using cash.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you probably knew this, but large (how large is 'large' varies based on the day's 'terrorism thermometer') cash tx in u.s. banks require id and are reported
mircea_popescu: you do get a receipt for the txn
mircea_popescu: but the notion that you can't make payments... i mean ? just too weird.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every problem is a triviality to folks who can't even conceive of having it
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> let's say you could. how do you prove you paid ? << don't be silly, this is a triviality.
ben_vulpes: but one of the wot, no?
asciilifeform: it works if we were both, say, italians, where 'it isn't done', or if i were part of an ethonmafia that will cause him problems in the event of raw deal
ben_vulpes: sure. i'll read more thoroughly next time i'm a thousand lines behind.
asciilifeform: that is, say i had landlord who is paid in cash, and he decides that months's bag of money 'never happend'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: goes deeper than my superficial explanation suggests. i was really on about the difficulty of 'bitcoinizing' fundamentally fiat-wot-based business arrangements
ben_vulpes: "doom gloom, the fascists know all" attitude keeps you doing what they want.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm not saying you won't *be* right, but in your quest to get out in front of how the world will be you're not looking at how the world is.
Apocalyptic: apparently at Chase you can no longer deposit into accounts you're not the holder of, but at other banks presumably this still works
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc
Adlai: which is basically "receipt", since you're still trusting the bank