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decimation: in
the sense
that some crank comes up with an idea
that happens
to be right, rather
than
the result of some carefully arranged program of research
☟︎ decimation: asciilifeform: "-ev" < it's admittedly
the case
that 'basic science' seems
to be advanced mostly
through 'dumb luck'
gabriel_laddel: "measuring
the fucking crystals" << "MPEX is just a bitcoin security exchange, just like any other bitoin security exchange"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but it's inescapable. everything's getting forked. gpg, linux,
the world.
mircea_popescu: draw up
the entire putative history eight nine steps removed in all directions,
till
the night comes and we go home.
mircea_popescu: lettuce all sit forever and ponder
the implications of asking
the girl out, of measuring
the fucking crystals, of spitting on
the ant.
mircea_popescu: as if. but somehow, a billion idiots picked
this bit of shoeshiner's philosophy as
their foundational line.
mircea_popescu: the story of individual america is basically one line : "there's no difference between
the rich man and
the poor man who hasn't yet decided what
to buy".
decimation: yeah in fact
the reason
the us succeeded as it were for
the first hundred years was because
there was much empty virgin
territory, so people could 'express agency'
mircea_popescu: not
to mention
the "all metaconsiderations, no agency"
mircea_popescu: somehow
the world should be impressed with
this "progress", much in
the manner parents should be impressed with "look, no hands!"
mircea_popescu: pretty much
the only
thing
the west ever does is, "try and spam it!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, everything in
that world devolves
to spam, it's one and only
true mother.
mircea_popescu: decimation
there's a reason i don't live in "civilised" shitholes. i can
taste
their "feasts of engineering".
decimation: "Over
the past few years,
the food industry has embarked on an operation it dubs “clean label”, with
the goal of removing
the most glaring industrial ingredients and additives, replacing
them with substitutes
that sound altogether more benign." "If you noticed
that it contained an amino acid such as L-cysteine E910, your enthusiasm might wane, especially if you happen
to know
that
this additive can be derived from animal and human
mircea_popescu: decimation i
think it was here. i didn't care
to check it out.
decimation: "The strapline for a product called Butter Buds®, described by its makers as “an enzyme-modified encapsulated butter flavour
that has as much as 400
times
the flavour intensity of butter”, sums it up in six words: “When
technology meets nature, you save.”"
assbot: Inside
the food industry:
the surprising
truth about what you eat | Life and style |
The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/17HedcY )
mircea_popescu: there's fruit, and it's grandiose.
then
there's "fruit", imported by supermarkets for
the usian market. you can get quite startling contrasts by buying in both.
decimation: in
the major italian
tourist cities,
the 'inner ring' around
the
tourist sites are full of restraunts
that are obvious chumpatrons
targeting usians and germans
mircea_popescu: or is it just, like
the gestapo, simply
the only shared figment of
their infertile imaginations ?
decimation: I had a similar experience when I went
to italy on holiday
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, now
tell me
this : how does
teh ussa follow
teh expat masse ? shadow fuhrer directs it ?
mircea_popescu: the usians have a fucktarded chain selling
the worst goop.
mircea_popescu: there's even a chain of HORRIBLE icecream. in
this
town,
that has
the best icecream i have ever
tasted, by a long shot, and abundantly supplied by numerous artisanal gelaterias
mircea_popescu: i can't
tell you how many
times i've stormed out of a shithole, inexplicable in context.
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if
they deliberately constructed a home away from home,
these people.
mircea_popescu: the soviet restaurant
thing is quite palpable here in argentina.
gabriel_laddel: From what I could
tell, from reading his usenet posts, he continues
to work at Occidental research corp.
gabriel_laddel: Ah. I'd like
to point out
that Al, unlike Mr. M has done useful work in
the interim.
kyuupichan: Got rejected as no zeroconf but
they were, so either reconsider or refund, but at
the moment as you
think zero was sent you won't be refunding anything right?
kyuupichan: Hello, bitbet is stuck on
the blockchain.
decimation: asciilifeform: it seems
the polarization version of
the experiment would be much easier
to set up
mircea_popescu: i grew permanganate crystals, at least
that's a meth precurso.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a
thought : if al spent
the past five years measuring
things rather
than skulking, he'd be in a much better position
todasy
than five years ago.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: well, as
the resident expert, would you mind expounding on
these costs?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: well, I was asking Stan specifically becuase he could supply detailed information as
to costs and political constraints
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I don't know
the cost associated with calibrating
these instruments and can't speak
to
the
truth of
that
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 02:36:41; asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get
to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get
to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...'
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel
the problem isn't exactly of
the equipment.
the problem is
that if you make new equipment, you don't know if you're measuring
the new equipment vs
the old equipment or an actual effect.
assbot: organic chemistry - what is
the simple enantiomer in
the powder form
that one can get? - Chemistry Stack Exchange ... (
http://bit.ly/17Hc1SN )
gabriel_laddel: so as
to demonstrate exactly why it isn't as easy as "just measure
the
thing"
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: would you mind explaining
the exact logistics of
the equipment you'd need
to put
together
to run
the experiment?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform look, irrespective of all
that : he can just do
the
thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
there is a fundamental difference between lysenko (nutter whose shit DIDNT WORK) and
this (if it works)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing keeps him from forking chemistry
tho.
mircea_popescu: not is of course practice, which is
to say : if I were
to declare I am ignoring "all
that Einstein jazz", all physics penned after 1900 or so, and
then built a cathodic
tube
television
that worked just fine without accounting for quantum effects,
the
trashing and bashing of Einstein fans would be all in vain : I'll just shrug my shoulders, keep building and selling my
television sets and care not on whit of whatever
th
mircea_popescu: "This flat, unyielding ignorance-as-the-forerunner-of-oblivion is both perfectly safev and exactly
the adequate pill for
the poison in dicussion, because it expends very little productive effort on
the part of
the productive members of society, while at
the same
time forcing upon
the unproductive
the exact Gordian knot
they've been
trying
to
talk
their way around (and plenty, no doubt, hoped
they had succeeded).
That k