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mircea_popescu half expects to find some bad retailer on the other end
decimation: maybe someone should make a bitbet for the date of the appearance of an official usg 'game'
asciilifeform: except afaik they do 'get to eat' instead of 'walk free'
mircea_popescu: "rate jail best on ijail 5bn times, walk free!"
decimation: another variant: all the prisoners play 'WoW' - upon gaining some princely sum of gold they can be freed
asciilifeform was thinking 'which six letters'
mircea_popescu: i was thinking wtf that many ?!
asciilifeform: decimation: aha, that'd be the point
asciilifeform: and get days off your term for playing 'russian roulette'
decimation: plus the prisioners would be occupied with something, instead of scheming how to spray bodily fluids on whoever happens by the slot
mircea_popescu: 1:1024*2 for theft.
asciilifeform: i came up with this based on the more well-known 'schrodinger jail'
mircea_popescu: incidentally : this would be a great prison. judge doesn't give you a term. judge gives you a frequency count.
asciilifeform: in that the occasional escaped maniac is outweighed by the folks who will sit for decades flipping digits
gabriel_laddel: "let me tell you a story about a mouse I caught in a field..."
asciilifeform: can always open the lock, no ?
asciilifeform: i can picture that if mircea_popescu ever opens a jail, all of the cages will open from the inside with a 32-bit combination lock. nobody will 'have to' sit in this jail
mircea_popescu: decimation in fairness, most do. these are the rare exceptions not the bulk. recall orwell's "jew makes a dollar a day" thing
decimation: my usian upbringing causes me to conjure some dude living in a hovel or a wagon upon hearing 'gypsy'
asciilifeform: (he takes a strange fixation with the gypsies)
mircea_popescu: but point remains : what man HAS TO do is never clear.
assbot: Nuditatea la copii si sugari pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wC5Aqy )
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was cheating a little ( http://trilema.com/2010/nuditatea-la-copii-si-sugari/ << original article where scene above is described). it just so happens that in that culture, kids are supposed to be naked pre puberty.
asciilifeform: eh betcha it's been deluxurized by chinese tiger farms
mircea_popescu: decimation well, some of those were built out of begging, some out of scrap metal theft, some out of who knows what.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile these dudes fuck on tiger fur.
decimation: is this what they do with all the coins they manage to scrape together?
mircea_popescu: always good for a culture shock for usians, because somehow they think starbucks is luxury.
mircea_popescu: yes. and you should see the insides, furs and shit. it's really very azn
decimation: wow those really are palaces
mircea_popescu: i doubt this is inborn.
mircea_popescu: decimation would it now ? seems more a function of where htey were born, if they heard of plumbing or not.
decimation: it might not tell you who to hire next, but it would explain why nobody in the city you are visiting has heard of plumbing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a long array of things, all more or less coney.
asciilifeform: derivatives trading?
decimation: at any rate, the "iq" thing seems more useful when applied on the population level
mircea_popescu: see the pics / whatevs.
asciilifeform: but whatever it is they do to keep the trucks coming
gribble: Palatele tiganesti din Buzescu - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHTBPhQcXCY>; case de tigani - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UQZ64SoDtw>; palatul lui Juliano radu - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7C00pWpDI8>
mircea_popescu: ;;google palate tiganesti turda
asciilifeform: what 'work' means in the gypsy palace, i haven't any notion
mircea_popescu: no these are literally palaces.
asciilifeform: unless the gurl photosynthesizes - yes, they have to, or starve.
decimation: someone had to shape the mud into huts
mircea_popescu: in the shape of the sun, i guess.
mircea_popescu: but barefoot girl in the mud aside : she probably had parents, who similarly had to work to keep the lights on.
mircea_popescu: took a wroing turn, ended up on mud street from 1750. down towards us, completely naked 9yo girl, rope tied around her waist. literally rope.
mircea_popescu: took some ppls to see the enchanted gypsy palaces in turda (romania). which, you know, are pretty elaborate.
asciilifeform: gets small pension from usg, lives alone in tiny flat, eats little
mircea_popescu: did i ever tell you about the naked gypsy girl ?
asciilifeform: plenty of folks do - simply that most of them don't write oddball os
asciilifeform: i've no reason to doubt the fact of it
mircea_popescu: because the first thing fish mentions is the water.
asciilifeform: not according to his account
mircea_popescu: well... maybe templeos guy did ?
asciilifeform: unbeatable taste
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or learn to eat air. or w/e.
asciilifeform: but this is not an algorithmic soluton.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is true in that, technically, i could cough up tomorrow's lottery number and play and then 'not have to' and no physical law prevents it
mircea_popescu: for all i care the wot world can result in the sky combusing.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037164 << the important point here is that causes not purposes. ☝︎
asciilifeform: after he croaked, that kind of thing was - at least on paper - somewhat curtailed
mircea_popescu: my point being, your have to is weak. not to any personal effect, but it does ruin our theory.
asciilifeform: just then << 'peak stalin'
asciilifeform: (or, if very talented, beat another fella into digging your share)
mircea_popescu: just then ?
asciilifeform: in ru prison circa 1951 - aha, job. want to eat? dig
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that's not it. if i were in prison, would i HAVE TO be in prison to keep the lights on ?
asciilifeform: iirc i described the kinds of thing i do for living..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "have to". if you were writing software it'd be a magic variabler.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i dunno, i dun tend to spy on people writing code that much, i'm prolly the most ignorant in the room on that score.
decimation: but essentially ends up with the 'classical' theory, which is 'this statistical thing that tends to pop out reliably on these tests'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mayhap that needs work ?
gabriel_laddel: monkey @ lisp term ?! << outside of that, have you ever seen any program written as "fluidly"? Which comes back to the original discussion of "what is intelligence"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to keep the lights on
mircea_popescu: or just teachin' the controversy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because you HAVE to ?
decimation: the book has a whole chapter on the subject of defining intelligence
mircea_popescu: so then im in his place ?
asciilifeform: he doesn't have to work a day job
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'his place' - thinking man who found, by accident or otherwise, an escape hatch from arbeit macht frei
asciilifeform: starvation pension, but enough to keep his computer lit
asciilifeform: and ends up with certain things, some interesting, some not, with a heavy flavour of jizzus jizzm
mircea_popescu: lmao wtf was this, monkey @ lisp term ?!
asciilifeform: terry davis doesn't have to answer to a grant committee
asciilifeform: see also link to classic thread re: 'cranks' coming 'untethered'
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel it occurs to me the templeos guy is kinda high iq
mircea_popescu: why does it define stupidity and make statements about intelligence ? should stick to stupidity.
gabriel_laddel: http://youtu.be/xzTH_ZqaFKI?t=9m57s << neat, working software, with the foundations built by high IQ individuals
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, but it does go into the subject of stupidity
mircea_popescu: decimation does it at any place say what it deems intelligence to be, this book ?
decimation: almost hysterically in denial about that possibility, will snap too far in the other direction. It is possible to face all the facts on ethnic and race differences in intelligence and not run screaming from the room: That is the essential message.”
decimation: from the book: “In any case, you are not going to learn tomorrow that all the cognitive differences between races are 100 percent genetic in origin, because the scientific state of knowledge, unfinished as it is, already gives ample evidence that environment is part of the story. But the evidence eventually may become unequivocal that genes are also part of the story. We are worried that the elite wisdom on this issue, for years
mircea_popescu: it advances at random to a random degree, is the thing.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 06:13:09; gabriel_laddel: my point is that science does not advance "at random"
asciilifeform: i don't expect it tested in mouse or man in own lifetime
asciilifeform: they'll test.
asciilifeform: check back in 10,000 years when the cockroaches replace us
asciilifeform: ^ i had a physical, testable hypothesis
mircea_popescu: is really the small part of the discussion. thiel is smart, and it doesn't help him